No. I am neither Arminian or a Calvinist. Though I can probably be accused of sharing some views with both. It makes me frustrated when some professed Calvinists wrongly accuse me of not understanding the Biblical teaching of grace and falsely accuse me of works based salvation. I attempt to be clear in my explanations. There are always some differences between what the a translation explicitly says versus how one's interpretation may say something the texts does not explicitly say. That is why it is an interpretation.
To What Degree do you believe a lost soul Assists God in their "Salvation"?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Alan Gross, Jul 26, 2022.
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Alan Gross Well-Known Member
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a lost soul Assists God in their "Salvation"?,
I am looking for a percentage and the above quote, of Van's, from another post, seems to say that the "faith" of an individual 100% gains them 'Credit' of The Perfect Righteousness of Jesus, that Jesus Accomplished in His Virgin Born, Perfect Life and Death, Burial, and Ressurection from the dead, i.e., "by way of their Credited Faith", without Conversion, a Blood Sacrifice, or the sinner laying down their Sword of Rebellion against The Trice-Holy God, in Repentance.
How far off am I?
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That said, you have accused people of holding to Pelagianism or Semi-Pelagianism when they denied one could be saved without the work of the Spirit because they held to free-will theology.
You see my point, how that was wring of you....correct? -
That said, you have accused people of holding to Pelagianism or Semi-Pelagianism when they denied one could be saved without the work of the Spirit because they held to free-will theology.
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Without God drawing man, man will never be saved. This is the "problem" of man - our "sin nature". We turn to ourselves, not to God.
My point with @JesusFan is simply that Pelagianism and semi-Pelagianism entails more than merely rejecting the truth that no man comes to Christ except the Father draw him.
That is part of the two heresies, but not the heresies themselves.
The larger problem is members on this board (including @JesusFan ) refer to any belief that views infants as sinners, yet innocent of actually committing a sinful act, as either Pelagianism or semi-Pelagianism. That is simply a false charge.
Pelagianism is a free-will theology (obviously) BUT not all free-will theology is Pelagianism.
It is time members stop misusing terms to insult the beliefs of other members. Ignorance of the two heresies is no excuse as there are ample resources available concerning those false teachings. -
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And Pelagianism is more than just denying that God must draw people to Himself.
As evidence - Both Pelagianism and semi-Pelagianism hold to the false teaching that men do not need the drawing of God to be saved. But Pelagianism and semi-Pelagianism are NOT the same things.
I'd actually argue that some forms of Arminianism is Calvinism altered by incorporating the inverse of semi-Pelagianism (man must be drawn to be saved, but may lose his salvation of his own accord). -
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Totally depraved man under grace can choose to accept or reject the gift of Salvation. Unsure if that is what is meant by "assists" or not. I wouldn't consider it "assists", but some would.
Mankind cannot work to achieve salvation, and adds nothing to God's Salvation. -
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