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Are you asking if one has to be regenerated before they can turn to God. That is a Calvinist doctrine as one being regenerated is = to one being saved. So Calvinists have the person saved before they believe or as they say God has to give them faith to believe."To What Degree do you believe a lost soul Assists God in their "Salvation"? " None , God saves those that trust in the Son. That is not assisting God, that is depending on God.
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Sure a person must be saved in order to believe, a lost person cant believe, because hes lost !
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But can somebody who believes be unsaved?
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Why do you continue to disagree with the Holy Spirit or do you think He just got it wrong?trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed , you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise , if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved . believes unto righteousness , and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation . WHOEVER BELIEVES ON HIM WILL NOT BE PUT TO SHAME ." you have been saved through faith , and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
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What do you mean ? Im saying a person has to be saved in order to believe. A lost person cannot believe.
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Why do you continue to disagree with the Holy Spirit or do you think He just got it wrong?trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed , you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise ,if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved .believes unto righteousness , and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation .WHOEVER BELIEVES ON HIM WILL NOT BE PUT TO SHAME ."you have been saved through faith , and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
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Those verses are talking about saved people who believe, not lost people.
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The lost person has to believe that is how they become un-lost/saved. What did Jesus say to the Jews when He started His ministry?
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Ya they are saved, after they believe. You are just avoiding the text. Whom do you think we should believe, you or the Holy Spirit?
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It's a flaw in how we look at things (in micro-doctrines).
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The lost person has to believe that is how they become un-lost/saved. What did Jesus say to the Jews when He started His ministry?
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Sorry a lost person can't believe because they lost.
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No they believe because they are saved. Believing evidences them being in a saved state
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So these saved people who do not believe . . . how are they saved if not through faith in Christ?
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It's a flaw in how we look at things (in micro-doctrines).
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I don't know what you talking about. A lost person can't believe that is why they lost. The Gospel is hidden to the lost 2 Cor 4:3-4
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I understand what you are saying.
A lost person can't believe. I agree that if one believes then they are not lost. in order to believe.
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Saved people who do not believe? I have no idea what you talking about
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Yes one must be saved in order to believe since a lost person can't believe.
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I don't see how you can not understand what I have said. A person must be saved in order to believe. Why? Because a lost person can't believe. A lost person is spiritually deaf, blind, dead.
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Does salvation come before belief?
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Are you asking if one has to be regenerated before they can turn to God. That is a Calvinist doctrine as one being regenerated is = to one being saved. So Calvinists have the person saved before they believe or as they say God has to give them faith to believe."To What Degree do you believe a lost soul Assists God in their "Salvation"? " None , God saves those that trust in the Son. That is not assisting God, that is depending on God.
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We must be enabled by the Holy Spirit to be able to respond to the Gospel message, as being spiritually dead, we all are born deaf and dumb to things of God!