tongue speakers please answer

Granny, I was wondering if i may have permission from you to contact your son. Just let me know if it would be ok, and I will get his information from you via email

God bless

Brian

 

GrannyGumbo: I do not want to be rude but I believe in other posts you made the comment about a problem with the pastor at your church so that does sound like your church failed your son.

I do not believe that a person has to speak in tongues to be saved. I believe it is a gift given by God. If you choose the gift fine. If not then don't criticize those who believe in it.

I am sorry but I have not seen the on fire churches in the SBC. It seems like in the last couple of years a lot of them around here have become very liberal and basically dead. I am sorry if you think Charismatics believe this is the general state of the Baptist church but this has not happened by happenstance. The people that leave the Baptist church tell the leaders of the charismatic/pentecostal movements this is the shape of the churches they come out of.

I have seen some things in Baptist churches that I would say was of the Devil but I don't do that. It is not my place to stand in judgement of this just like it is no one elses place to stand in judgement of those who speak in tongues. As Gamaliel told the Pharisees If it is not of God then it will fade away. It seems like some of you give Satan more credit then he deserves since Tongue talking has been going on for 100's of years.

 

Granny, I was wondering if i may have permission from you to contact your son. Just let me know if it would be ok, and I will get his information from you via email["Oneness"]

"Surely you jest, right"?

 

GrannyGumbo: I do not want to be rude but I believe in other posts you made the comment about a problem with the pastor at your church so that does sound like your church failed your son.[hrhema]

"I do not consider you being rude. The 80yr.old pastor of that church at that time had been asked to retire (for years)...but the $$$ kept him on. He did much damage in doing so, especially when those charismatics 'crept in unawares'. He was approached by several deacons, including my husband, sons(Patrick being one of them), & sons-in-law about certain things that were going on. But he didn't want to "offend" anyone, or stir things up, so he looked the other way. We all know what a little leaven does, right? It didn't take long for satan to spoil the fellowship. So no, I would not say the church failed our son; but the shepherd fed our son to the wolves.

The "tongues"(jibber-jabber) today are COMPLETELY contrary to the SUPERNATURAL, MIRACULOUS speaking of LEGITIMATE LANGUAGES empowered by the TRUE Holy Spirit in the EARLY church.

 

Well, the good churches ARE out there... and yes, there are some liberal SBC churches out there.. but they are definitely in the minority. Myself, I avoid them. Like I said in my previous post... let's avoid the stereotyping. Also, you would probably be surprised at the number of people who leave charismatic churches for Baptist, etc. churches because of doctrinal confusion/error, etc. For example, my wife's family and many of their friends were members of a local charismatic church and left because of doctrinal issues. Most of them are now attending Baptist churches. This is just one example... I've known several other people who have had similar experiences.

Actually, church history has NO RECORD of tongues-speaking taking place in the Christian church from approx. 70 A.D. until about 1900, except in isolated instances usually involving cultic groups. So, tongues was practically non-existent for nearly all of the church age... until about 100 years ago.

 

Now why would i do such a thing

Is that a yes?

 

Now why would i do such a thing Is that a yes?[Oneness]

"Why, indeed! I haven't forgotten the remarks you made "in jest" on another thread concerning the slapping, etc, you wanted to do to your then, future mother-in-law; so I'd say, that's a negative, son.

 

haha, are you serious.

What I would like to do and what I actually do are two diffrent things. Our flesh would like to do alot of crazy things wouldn't you agree?

Granny I am not going to tell him about the board, all I want to do is find out how he feels about serveing Jesus. I Dont wish to mention your name at all.

You say that he is not happy and say alot of negative things about him and his church. I would like to hear it from the person. If you say that he is not happy and that he church hops and is not satisfied than I would like to hear him talk.

I know, what you could do instead of saying how much he has been seduced allow him to know about the board and invite him for conversation.

As said before, there are two sides to every story.

God bless

 

As said before, there are two sides to every story.

God bless

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ONENESS, I was thinking the same thing. If Patrick is as unhappy as his Mom thinks , why is he staying with the Oneness Churches? If it's as bad as Granny says, why doesn't he leave? After all, he is a grown man, been married, and has a child. Oneness churches don't hold anyone against their will. I also, would like to know what Patrick thinks instead of what Mom says.

Oneness, like you said, "There are two sides to
every story."

MEE

 

haha, are you serious.What I would like to do and what I actually do are two diffrent things. Our flesh would like to do alot of crazy things wouldn't you agree?["Oneness"]

"Yep, as serious as a heart attack! Nope, can't recall a time since the Lord saved me nearly 50yrs. ago that I wanted to do anything crazy like that. Have I led a sinless life? No. Am I perfect? No. Am I saved? Yes. Do I speak-in-tongues? No, because the canon of God's Word is complete. No further messages or authentication are necessary. The Word of God ALONE is sufficient for ALL things. The TRUE Holy Spirit NEVER leads ANYONE contrary to the Word which He inspired.

#1-My son & I have no secrets. He knows exactly what I say about him on this Board & amongst our family & friends. He knows the depth of my love for him. He knows how many hours in prayer I have spent over him. He knows to what extent I will go for him. He knows I will always be here for him.

#2-Unlike yours, his church will not "allow" them to have/or use computers, as well as televisions, in their homes. When he did play on one, it was when he had a job & stole hours from his "oneness" employer to do so.

#3-Why on earth do the two of you think I would want to hand my son over to you, even if he were "allowed" to partake of this "devilish" device? (But I'll be sure to tell him you are interested in conversing with him. That will give him some encouragement, I'm sure...N O T ! ! !

 

Granny wether it is saying a bad word, or being upset withsome and saying something in sarcasim is still sin. Sin is sin no matter how we see and is all the same in Gods eye.

and you said it, you are not without sin. So i guess you are saying that you are better than us b/c you do not speak in tongues and b/c you read your bible and you never wanted to hit someone over the head with a stick. Im disapointed.

You know a while back i called the Church you son attends and asked them about their church. Of course you are going to talk it down worse than what it is. And Granny if I am not mistaken what you are doing is sewing discord amongst the brethern. And that is one of the things God hates according to proverbs if I am correct.

Granny I dont say this out of hate or with a bad attitude but why in the world are you still belly achin. The only thing you have done is belly ache the whole time you have been here.

The bible tells us to wipe the dust off of our feet and move on if people are not going to listen to what you have to say. Please, dont stop praying for him since you feel that he is in the wrong. Just try and hang out with him and quit telling everyone how deceived he is and maybe you could get somewhere with him. For that matter, why dont you just agree to disagree with him.

The bible tells us all to work out our own salvation with fear and trmebleing, and that is what he is doing. That does not mean to be scared you whole life thinking that you are going to die and not make it, it just means to be careful what you choose b/c there is only one right way. And if you are so sure that he is saved, please for everyones sake, praise God for that.

Godbless

 

I didn't say, "Hand your son over to me Granny." I only said that I would like to hear what Patrick says, about his beliefs, instead of what you think. That's all I meant.

If you would tell the truth about him, I would say he is a wonderful son, reguardless of how you feel about his religious beliefs. Right?

MEE

 

Bro.DHK~I am going to earnestly pray that the Lord will lay it on your heart to come to this mission-field of "onenesses"! Or that He will at least send us someone who is as solid as you are in refuting their error. This place is really crawling with 'em & not one single Baptist pastor will speak against it, altho' my husband & I do place paid ads in the local paper exposing their false teachings.

 

DHK, you hit the nail on the head. The book of Acts is the ONLY source they go to.
The book of Romans is an excellent source to read about salvation.

Granny~ I have to say, you got guts, girl! I admire your style. I believe most onenesses don't want to leave their church because of the "experience" they have had. They enjoy it too much.

In Christ
Susan

 

I hope everyone enjoys their church, actually

 

DHK, just because I don't respond to all of your posts doesn't mean that I don't know anything about the other books of the Bible. I just ignore you.

As far as you coming near me to show me the "right way" of salvation, you would have to recognize it first. Until then, keep on studying!

It's easy for you boast about how much you think you know when you are on your own forum and have your own to back you up, because most think you know what you are talking about.

I'd like for you to come up against someone like David Bernard or Robert Sabin and see how quick they would chew you up and spit you out. Not mad, just think you are funny.

MEE

 

I'd like for you to come up against someone like David Bernard or Robert Sabin and see how quick they would chew you up and spit you out[MEE]

"Actually, I HAVE viewed such video-debates that show just the OPPOSITE of your supposed outcome. I've begged Patrick to watch them with me, but he isn't "allowed" to.

 

Wowwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!
277 post on this thread!
I think people are really interested in this subject!!!!!!!
This subject seems to be an ongoing subject on this board. Sounds like there is a hunger here!!!!

 

Unfortunately there is not a whole lot of hunger. But there is a lot of rebellious denial of the truth, and a devout determination to justify a wrong position no matter what the cost.
Take MEE for example, he either refuses or cannot (and I believe the latter) explain the way of salvation in any one of 65 books of the Bible (i.e. any excluding Acts). He must have Acts or he cannot explain salvation. Most people know what the gospel is, where to find it in the Bible, and some people could show you how to be saved from just about every book of the Bible. If tongues were so essential for us to have, surely the Lord would tell us that it would be mandatory. But no where does He command us to have this gift, and no where does He even suggest for one to seek after this gift.
DHK