Misquoting ancient sources seems to be standard for people trying to defend any bad doctrine.
True or false statement?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by evangelist6589, Jul 17, 2016.
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The primary point is that those who say MacArthur is not a theologian is a little absurd to me. Particularly when you compare their doctrine.
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I agree concerning the necessity of getting your hermeneutic right. And that is one of the problems I have with any of the strict dispensational systems.
What most dispensationalists fail to realize is that dispensationalism is, itself, a hermeneutic. It is placed over the scriptures and colors the understanding of those scriptures. So, in effect, the conclusion is reached by means of the presupposition, which is nothing more than the conclusion restated. Rather typical circular reasoning. Kind of like KJVOism. :)
Now, don't get me wrong. I am pre-mil. Not a dispensational pre-mil, but an historic pre-mil. A Chilliast.
I lean toward post-trib (but in a less than traditional sense) but will not break fellowship with a pre-trib or a mid-trib as I believe both have scriptural support depending on certain presuppositions.
I believe the church was formed from spiritual Israel, and many (if not most) of the promises made to spiritual Israel in the OT are being or will be fulfilled in the church.
But I also believe there are yet promises made to Israel that are yet to be fulfilled and when they are they will bless Israel, both nationally and spiritually (probably due to the fact that, at that time, all of National Israel will also be Spiritual Israel, for all of Israel will be saved).
We see an indication of this in the Heavenly City. The foundation stones will each include the name of one of the 12 Apostles, while the great wall will have 12 gates, and over each gate will be the name of one of the 12 tribes of Israel. In order to get to the Heavenly City it will be necessary to pass through one of the 12 tribes of Israel. :) -
I would suggest to you that Systematic Theology is the very reason why we have so many confused people in regards to Theology.
My definition of a Theologian is simply one...who knows what he is talking about.
And R.C. has some pretty funky teachings, lol.
Well, you need to moderate your thread, my friend, and set these fellows straight. Let them know that Dispensationalism is a Systematic Theology and therefore must be correct, because only Theologians create them, lol. You might want to remind what the OP is again while your at it.
And that's it for me in this one.
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The truth is, E...you are a theologian. You have a knowledge of God and you publicly declare that knowledge. It is your responsibility, standing in the role of teacher (which is an apt description of anyone engaged in Evangelism)...to be expert in that which you are teaching.
There is a dire warning given to those who would be teachers, and not everyone considers that. I want you to consider that.
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But because many have thrown off our Teacher for teachers...there is much confusion, controversy, and hostility in the Body of Christ. It is sad that Paul could address this issue in the First Century...and it is still an issue in this day. Makes me wonder how the Corinthians responded to Paul's rebuke.
Of course, he did have to write to them more than once...
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Now, a valid comparison would be Sproul's knowledge of philosophy and related fields. MacArthur has never pretended to be anything but a New Testament expositor. Regardless, none of this really has anything to do with the question at hand. There are amils and postmils who are expositors and premils and pretribbers who are systematic theologians. -
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Now, is John MacArthur a Theologian or not?
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According to popular Rapture doctrine, there is going to be a Rapture on a specific, even if unknown, date. Every generation that has passed before that date, but that was deliberately given the impression that the Rapture could be within their lives, has been lied to. How have they not been lied to? The were led to believe something that wasn't true.
In actuality, the Bible nowhere teaches the lie of false immanency. Jesus didn't teach his return was immanent (not until the Abomination that Causes Desolation, in which case his return would really be immanent). The Bible does't each a pretribulation rapture, let alone an immanent pretribulation rapture. Jesus' first coming was identified down to the year by Daniel's 70 Weeks prophecy. No BC student of the OT would have thought Christ's coming was immanent, until it honestly was immanent. -
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