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Trump's Tax Reform Plan

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by InTheLight, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. AwesomeMachine

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    But I think the best way for government to save money is to get rid of the useless half of government workers.
     
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    Good luck wit dat! :Laugh
     
  3. TCassidy

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    Any mathematician could solve our bloated bureaucracy problem.

    The federal government employs 2,711,000 people not including the military.

    2,711,000 - 1,355,500 = Problem solved.
     
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    but from which departments
     
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    Wrong question. Which departments should remain.

    Defense.
    State.
    Judicial.
    Treasury.
    Veterans Affairs.

    Dump the rest. And of those 4 half of the employees should be fired. And 3/4 of Veterans Affairs. 90% of VA employees are not medical personnel.
     
  6. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
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    Best way to save money is to cut a fraction of a percent off the budget by laying off some people. Well, I suppose ya gotta start somewhere.

    Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo.
     
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    What is your reference that only 10% of the VA are in the medical field?

    The Active Air Force has about 318,000 members - with only about 15,000 who are pilots or navigators. ( 5%)
    Bottom line is that 95% of the Air Force are in support roles.
    I suspect it would be the same for the VA --and the VA is more than just a hospital
     
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    Almost all of your posts are worthless. I consider refusing to pay contractors and consorting with the enemy to change a free election a moral outrage. Also the way he talks about his daughter makes me wonder what has gone on between them. Then he fathered an illegitimate daughter conceived with his second wife while he was still married to his first something I don't consider acceptable. Maybe you do. Then talking about being able to grab any woman's [filth edited] he wants to bothers me. Maybe that's OK with you too. His practice of continuing lying and going back on commitments bothers me as well. Taking funding away from the needy and the elderly in retirement homes to feed our bloated military is against my sense of morality as well.
     
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    We have been down this path over and over several times and unfortunately it is because we were left in a moral dilemma as to the choices for the office of president in this election.

    For me and perhaps millions of others the choice came down to the lesser of two evils, namely: Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

    Since Roe versus Wade approximately 58 million abortions have been performed in America.
    58,586,256 Abortions in America Since Roe v. Wade in 1973 | LifeNews.com

    This is a STAGGERING figure of atrocities - some BB posters call it emotionalism. The Bible calls it murder of the worst kind - the shedding of the innocent blood of the helpless.

    Hillary Clinton has openly endorsed abortion. The DNC is the party of death.

    Donald Trump has opposed it, he promised to appoint a pro-life constitutionalist justice to the SCOTUS and came through with his promise.
    Of course, the nay-sayers, Trump haters say "Oh ya, wait and see".

    OK we will.

    To me and perhaps millions of others the 58 million murders of the infanticide/genocide of abortion totally eclipses the human transgressions of Donald Trump.

    HankD
     
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    And therein lies the problem. If you want an example of the use of personnel use the US Marine Corps. There are 182,000 active duty Marines, and every single one of them has a primary MOS (Military Occupational Status) of "Rifleman."

    There are some jobs that the Geneva Convention considers to be non-combatants (See Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions, June 1977).

    Chaplains. The are NO Chaplains in the US Marine Corps.

    Medics. There are NO Medics in the US Marine Corps.
     
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    Because the USMC gets these billets filled by Naval personnel. IOW:
    • When a Marine is wounded in battle he\she is patched up by a USN corpsman assigned to that particular unit.
    • When divine services are held on a Marine base, they are overseen by a USN Chaplain assigned to that base\unit.
     
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    Yes, that is my point. EVERY US Marine is a Rifleman. Any non-combatant role is filled by US Navy personnel.
     
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    This isn't true anymore. The Marines have their own medics. Or so I was told by a Marine last year.

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    2 things to consider here: 1) of those 15,000 pilots and navigators, most are in "support" positions ("heavy lifters," transport, etc.). The number of pilots in actual combat-related positions (F-16s, F-22s, F-35s, A-10s, etc.).

    2) There are also Spec Ops Air Force personnel who are not pilots or navigators; as well as Security Forces, who do base security and ground combat close to the base and/or AF assets; not to mention PAVE-LOW crews (SAR; officer+enlisted); or Pararescue (combat EMTs) who fly in to combat areas. "Black Hawk Down" tends to gloss over the fact that two AF Pararescue members were dropped in to the fight to attempt to pull out Michael Durant; they were overwhelmed and killed doing their career field motto: "That others may live."

    So only 5%? Nah. I'll grant you 80-90% of AF personnel are FOB-lovin' back-office "weekends off" folks; but not just 5%.

    Besides, we're talking about the only service that sends their officers into combat (pilots) while the enlisted maintainers, munitions, cooks, medical, etc. go home to play XBox.... <grin>
     
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    My point in using the Air Force as an example - is that if a AFSC is not direct combat - every Airman is in a critical support position.
    Cooks, supply, transportation, ect.......

    And this holds true for every Military Branch (keep in mind that the USMC is in the Dept of the Navy )
     
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    Oh, I understood; just saw an opportunity to educate about some lesser-known areas of the AF. <grin>
     
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    As I understand the change which was made a couple years ago is that Navy regulations now allows Navy Corpsman attached to Marine units as a Hospital Corpsmen to wear a Marine uniform as long as they conform to Marine Corps health and grooming standards.
     
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    Well, that sounds good, but the Marine Corps is not subject to the CNO, having their own Commandant who sits as a Joint Chief with equal position as the other Chiefs of Staff. (Maybe even more as the CNO is an administrative position and does not have operational command authority over Naval forces.)
     
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  19. InTheLight

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    Hey, hey! Something has actually happened!

    The House approved a budget blueprint resolution that would allow a tax reform bill to pass in the Senate with only 50 votes. However, this 50 vote margin in the Senate can only be achieved if the House version of the tax plan agrees with the Senate plan on key provisions. Right now, the House version is deficit neutral, that is, any tax cuts must be offset by spending cuts. The Senate plan has no deficit neutral feature, in fact, the Senate plan would allow the deficit to grow by $1.5 trillion over the next 10 years. Unless they can reconcile these differences, the GOP will need 60 votes in the Senate.
     
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    That goes for all the services chiefs - they are advisors to the POTUS - and do not have any operational command over their services.

    From Wiki: After the 1986 reorganization of the military undertaken by the Goldwater-Nichols Act, the Joint Chiefs of Staff does not have operational command of U.S. military forces. Responsibility for conducting military operations goes from the President to the Secretary of Defense directly to the commanders of the Unified Combatant Commands and thus bypasses the Joint Chiefs of Staff completely.
     
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