Do you think God cares more about His glory than about people's souls?
Not accepting someone is the same as rejecting them. These things are synonymous.
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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Guido, Nov 8, 2022.
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If the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, how can they be illuminated at all?
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Alan Gross Well-Known Member
is GIVEN UNDERSTANDING of CONVICTION,
in that Effectual Call, by The Holy Spirit,
in the beginning of CONVERSION, by The WORD of GOD.
Then, in THE EFFECTUAL CALL,
the Spiritually Dead sinner
is GIVEN UNDERSTANDING of CONVICTION,
to the extent that
God GRANTS them REPENTANCE
and FAITH to BELIEVE in The GOSPEL,
The Power of God unto SALVATION,
and The GODHEAD's ELECTION and EFFECTUAL CALLING
HAVE SUCCEEDED PERFECTLY.
THE BELIEVER is SEALED by The HOLY SPIRIT.
This is The NEW BIRTH, REGENERATION,
and JUSTIFICATION.
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The ORDER of, "How God Saves souls", is here:
The Triune Godhead Elected.
"whom He did Predestinate" Romans 8:30
The Triune Godhead Effectually Calls
"them He Calls..." Romans 8:28, 30.
The Spiritually Dead sinner
is GIVEN UNDERSTANDING of CONVICTION,
in that Effectual Call, by The Holy Spirit,
in the beginning of CONVERSION, by The WORD of GOD.
Romans 3:10
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
Ephesians 1:13a "In whom ye also trusted,
after that ye heard the word of truth,
the gospel of your salvation:
The Spiritually Dead sinner
is GIVEN UNDERSTANDING of CONVICTION,
to the extent that
God GRANTS them REPENTANCE
and FAITH to BELIEVE in The GOSPEL,
The Power of God unto SALVATION,
Ephesians 2:1
"And you hath he quickened,
who were dead in trespasses and sins;"
Acts 20:21
"Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks,
repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."
Romans 1:16
" For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
and The GODHEAD's ELECTION and EFFECTUAL CALLING
HAVE SUCCEEDED PERFECTLY.
30 "Then I was by Him, as One brought up with Him:
and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him"
THE BELIEVER is SEALED by The HOLY SPIRIT.
Ephesians 1:13b "...in whom also after that ye believed,
ye were Sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,"
This is The NEW BIRTH, REGENERATION,
and JUSTIFICATION.
Romans 8:30c "whom He called, them He also Justified:"
GLORIFICATION is in the Future in man's view.
Romans 8:30c "and whom He Justified, them He also Glorified." -
Alan Gross Well-Known Member
Your Bible Given criteria for, "how can they be illuminated at all?",
would be, "in a Spiritually Born-In", DIVINE NATURE.
2 Peter 1:3-4
King James Version
3 According as His Divine Power
hath given unto us
all things that pertain unto life and godliness,
through the knowledge of Him
that hath called us to Glory and Virtue:
4 Whereby are Given unto us
exceeding great and precious promises:
that by these
ye might be Partakers of the Divine Nature,
having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."
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To that extent, they are not, "illuminated".
Nothing SPIRITUALLY IN-BORN
that by these
"ye might be Partakers of the Divine Nature." -
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Alan Gross Well-Known Member
and throw 'the rock' of their ABILITY toward Europe
and.......fall short.
Next question. -
Alan Gross Well-Known Member
The OFFER STANDS.
By Keeping The Eternal Moral Law of the Universe,
from CONCEPTION,
and you are In Like Flynn, to your New Home in Heaven. -
Alan Gross Well-Known Member
free gift bible - Google Search
What does the Bible say about the free gift?
"The free gift of God is eternal life
in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23;
"By grace you have been saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God."
Ephesians 2:8;
"Let the one who wishes
take the water of life without cost." Revelations 22:17. -
"Thus there are many in the present day who have the greatest abhorrence to the doctrine of the Gospel, and yet, if they knew it to be the doctrine of the Gospel, would be prepared to venerate it with their whole heart. But those who are convinced in conscience that what they repudiate and impugn is the word of God, and yet cease not to impugn it, are said to blaspheme against the Spirit, insomuch as they struggle against the illumination which is the work of the Spirit. ..... The spirit of blasphemy is therefore, when a man audaciously and of set purpose, rushes forth to insult his divine name."
Now I don't know why every simple question falls back into a Calvinism-Arminianism debate. As a Calvinist, you do not have to give up all belief in real time meaningful interaction with God where your decisions make a difference. The above quote is from John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book III, Chapter 3, Section 22. -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
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Alan Gross Well-Known Member
where it will do some good. -
Alan Gross Well-Known Member
Smile, Silverhead, God does not Love Essau.
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Secondly, what if the unforgivable sin is to reject Christ?
Finally think of "live" faith as "faithful faith" i.e. a belief that is not superficial, but deeply rooted in commitment. For example a person says, " i trust in Christ" but never actually trusts Christ with all that they possess? -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
This is another command of God. Are we to take this as you say? Or are we to see this is the light of the message of God that all those that desire to come to Him may? -
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Alan Gross Well-Known Member
This:
"Or are we to see this is the light of the message of God that all those that desire to come to Him may?"
is right, because God Gives the Desire, Spiritually, that they don't have otherwise.
That Effectual Call is never resisted. -
Alan Gross Well-Known Member
have been in Hell a long time.
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