Wow, this board hasn’t as yet had a representative of U M come forth to explain the schism… I find that interesting. A Methodist Pastor friend of mine just died so I can’t tap into the heart of this. Wish Pastor Durant was still active on this forum to give his take. Oh well, will have to muddle through it. Perhaps being Arminian and liberal is too much for most congregants.
Any consolation, the Presbyterian church USA is worse.
United Methodist bishops acknowledge breakup is imminent
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Salty, Jun 25, 2022.
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I dont believe that Pastor Durant is still with the Methodist church.
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I did send him an email .. will keep you posted
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The legal ruling document for the UMC is their Book of Discipline which prohibits gay marriage and gay ordination. Progressives have introduced motions to delete these prohibitions at every quadrenniel conference since 1973. These motions always lose because voting depends on delegates and the number of delegates is proportionate to membership. Like other mainline US denominations, the American UMC has endured a slow steady decline for decades, but there has been a great revival and expansion of UMC methodism (very evangelical) in Third World countries, especially in Africa, and so, the pro-gay progressive agenda has always been voted down. These constant defeats have ignited rebellions in regional US conferences, which paradoxically insist that ordinands obey The Book of Discipline, and yet, perform gay marriages and ordinations, despite this contradiction.
Our quadrenniel conferences have been discontinued in recent years due to Covid and visa problems, but the progressive agenda would have been defeated with finality, had this conference occurred. So both sides decided they couldn't wait and unilaterally agreed to split last Spring. Hundreds of US UMC churches quickly left the UMC amd our local UMC church left just last week. The evangelical wing of the schism is a new denomination called The Global Methodist Church.
By the way, you should reassess your stereotypes of the UMC, the 2nd largest US Protestant denomination. The UMC hired me as a tongues-speaking Pentecostal and my replacement upon my retirement also speaks in tongues. In fact, when he was Spirit-baptized, he spoke in fluent Korean, a language he never studied--a fact confirmed by a Korean member who heard his extensive message in tongues. In one of the UMC churches I pastored, we witnessed miracles as spectacular as any miracle stories in the Gospels. Though some of our members have spoken in tongues, I never promoted this while I was pastor. Indeed, in my first 21 years in a huge Canadian Pentecostal church, not once was there a sermon on tongues! -
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Mike Stidham MemberSite Supporter
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Mike Stidham MemberSite Supporter
This is as close to a perfect explanation of the nature of the coming schism as you're going to get. The perpetual rescheduling of the General Conference "due to COVID", etc. was starting to be seen as just another case of the UMC Bishops "kicking the can down the road" to avoid schism as they had been doing for at least the last 25 years. When talk of not having a GC in 2024 "because of COVID and visas" started, the conservatives in UMC said "enough already" and announced the kickoff of GMC in May. -
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I can quote Baptist historians that say you are a product of the Reformation, but you will hold on to the fantasy that your churches existed even without one smidgeon of historical evidence to support it. -
They existed - maybe necessarily not with the name Baptist - but with solid doctrine.
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All of the historical documents show that, in essence, the closest thing we have today to the early Church is actually the Catholic Church. In these main points the Catholic Church is today what she has always been. Her leadership is unapologetically monarchical and hierarchical. Her teaching authority is centralized and universal, and the pope is what he has always been, the universal pastor of Christ’s Church, the steward of Christ’s kingdom and the Rock on which Christ builds his Church. -
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
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(1 Cor 7:7-8).
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