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Vaccinations no help against Covid?

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by dad2, Jul 28, 2021.

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  1. dad2

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    It is strange to see wildly different claims coming from different jurisdictions. In Israel, more vaccinated people are claimed to be getting sick than unvaccinated people.

    "On July 20, The Jerusalem Post reported that of the 143 hospitalized patients, 58% were fully vaccinated, 3% were partially vaccinated, and 39% were not vaccinated at all."

    Israel's lessons for COVID's next stage - analysis

    If we go by these numbers, it is far batter for our health not to be vaccinated. Now if another jurisdiction, for example in the US, were to claim that say, only 3% of people getting sick were vaccinated, we would conclude, I think, that there is some serious lying going on somewhere.
     
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    You seem to think that being vaccinated means 100% safe. Please don't get the shot, become a test case for the rest of us.
     
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    No, but I do hear the unified choir or many world leaders and their medical chiefs echoing the same dire warnings about not being vaccinated not wearing face diaper masks, not being locked down like a con, etc etc. How is it that we find out that the vaccinated are the ones getting sick in the majority in the articles in the OP here!? Fat lot of good that untested experimental needle does!
     
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    I am not getting shot. Had Covid. T Cell antibodies are doing better against Delta than the jab.
     
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    2 of our families,who had gotten the shot, got it again last month. My two doctors in the church have said that they will not get the shot until it has been proven through traditional trials. I am allergic to the main ingredient so I cannot take the shot, and have already had the cought cough anyway.
     
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    Right, so we have a majority of people in the article in the OP that got sick after being vaccinated, but add to that number all the sick from the vaccine itself. Oh, and the dead from the vaccine also of course.
     
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    You may have seen this already, but if not:

    In May, Eric Clapton said that he had experienced a "severe" reaction to the AstraZeneca vaccine and that he was afraid that he would "never play again." He also said he was inspired by another musician turned anti-vaccine activist, Van Morrison.
     
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    MRNA vaccine takes over some body cells injecting it's RNA into as many cells as it can infecting them forcing them to create the covid 'spike protein'
    The spike protein manufacture spreads into many body organs affecting other cells, they migrate and spread around the body.
    So the affected cells become spike protein factories.
    The body mounts an immune system response to these spike proteins, immune system forms antibodies against the spike protein manufacture in the cells which is more concentrated in some organs, like ovaries and bone marrow where blood components are made, killing those cells and supposedly coating the spike protein to break it down..
    Hence cellular death occurs of Vaccine MRNA infected cells, debris spreads forming small blood clots. And does it ever stop, it seems a cycle is setup in the body as the spike protein spreads around the body, the immune system has to also attack more taken over, affected body cells. One thing maybe, the MRNA that infects the cells is limited by the dosage in the vaccine given to you, it gets used up, so that part is self limiting.
     
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    umm the test cases are the ones getting the shot
     
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    Yes I saw that, and also how he will not perform at a venue that restricts the non vaccinated! Some of these old guys have a little bit of guts left.
     
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    Good point.
     
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    I have no reason to doubt that. I also would not be surprised if there is other evil in the treatment that we are not yet aware of.
     
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    They just reported that 90% of those that are getting covid in Alberta DO NOT have the shot.
     
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    Thanks for the report. Amazing that they could say that in one jurisdiction eh? Maybe the summers in Israel are hotter or something? Ha
     
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    Or maybe those that don’t take the shot are more responsible with their health, like social distancing and not going into bars, entertainment events or other super spreader events.
     
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    Plus the old geezers make better music. And Bruce Springsteen can go and take a flying leap for himself.
     
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    Same is true for serious cases of the Delta varient.

    The severe cases are non-vaccinated people (including non-vaccinated people who had COVID).
     
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    Do you have a link to the data showing the number of people who had COVID and recovered that are re-infected and/or have severe cases?

    peace to you
     
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    No. I do not keep links.

    If I recall the data was on the CDC site (with an explanation of why non-vaccinated COVID survivers are less equipped than vaccinated people for the Delta varient).

    The numbers showing the non-vaccinated are more at risk of death from a COVID varient is also on the CDC, but I saw this in several studies.
     
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