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Vaccinations no help against Covid?

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by dad2, Jul 28, 2021.

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  1. dad2

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    Who are you to say all the treatments that some say are as effective as the so called vaccines are 'dangerous'? Can you cite tens of thousands of people who died from each of these (15 or 20 or whatever treatments said to be effective)?? You do realize many did get ill and die from the vaccine? How many died from 'bleach'? Who is to say what is effective? Those that constantly change their story about what is good? (CDC and etc) You accuse Trump of bypassing safely protocols? Yet you support the carte blanche given the experimental vaccine despite the deaths? Then you support the drug pushers not being able to be sued? I suppose the closing of churches and loss of freedoms would be no problem for you? I am not from the US and never even mentioned Trump. It is not I with the bias here.
     
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    There are still some of us who do not believe the Earth is flat, yet know. And I'm pretty sure we landed on the moon.
     
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    Well, perhaps all those unvaccinated folk are dying of the flu.
     
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    You are talking about a nation with under 9 million population and over 32% under the age of 15 (something the "COVID ain't that bad" folks used when the shoe was on the other foot to decry data manipulation).

    For example, the UK is doing well with over half the population vaccinated (sure, people will still get the virus...it was never stayed otherwise).

    the UK has 55% vaccinated and about 50 people dying a day of COVID.

    Indonesia (a population closer to the US) has only a 6% vacanation rate) and is having over 1,100 deaths a day.
     
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    WSJ: It's White Evangelical Christians Who Refuse Vaccines (technocracy.news)

    Those who are most likely to vote for Trump and republican values are the 25% of the population who identify as Evangelicals who also do not accept a covid vaccine. So Trump's admin which pushed the super fast vaccine creation and approval, his supporters are also not wanting the vaccine. None of this is about Trump, or Christians, it is about the novel vaccine which is still experimental. Evangelicals also if Trump was the current POTUS, would still not want the vaccine.

    The pivot to blaming white Christians for causing the pandemic is happening right now. Yesterday’s taking points were merely blaming the un-vaxxed but now Christians, and white ones at that, are being singled out as the real perpetrators. Predictably, the next conclusion from this will be that not taking the vaccine is racist and that all white Christians are therefore racist.


    Perhaps the Wall Street Journal doesn’t know that Christians come in all skin colors. ⁃ TN Editor

    More than six months into the country’s Covid-19 vaccination campaign, evangelical Christians are more resistant to getting the vaccine than other major religious groups, according to newly released data.
     
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    We're (a DOE site) back to masks. Several (unvaccinated) people have COVID. Gota dig out my comfy mask. Given the work environment, I'm not sure I really mind.
     
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    Remember it was,’Operation Warp Speed’ and they all loved him for it! Well slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
     
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    It doesn't matter since the majority of deaths were those people already vaccinated. That should tell us the vaccine is useless garbage at the least and dangerous deliberate garbage at worst.
     
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    Congrats for being trained well.
     
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    If that is true then Indonesia proves the opposite (a vast majority - over 90% - of the over 1,000 daily deaths are unvaccinated.

    Look at it this way - if the UK had a 100% vaccinate rate then 200% of Delta varient deaths would be vaccinated people.

    And if the US had a 100% unvaccinated rate then 100% of the delta varient deaths would be unvaccinated people.

    Also, the UK uses the Pfizer, Oxford-AstraZeneca, Moderna and Janssen vaccines with the Oxford-AstraZeneca being the most popular.

    You are dealing with manipulated data.
     
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    Well, still training but the last thing I want dealing with radioactive contamination is an accidental uptake. COVID masks have an APF of 10.
     
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    Bingo. We also need to look at what is called an unvaccinated death. Where do they include 'partially vaccinated'? What constitutes a death in the numbers exactly? Is it people tested after death that are said to have covid? Besides asking if the tests were certain and accurate, we might ask how we know a test was actually done or not? (or claimed to have been done to be eligible for more money) Etc etc.
    By the way, how would 200% of deaths be vaccinated people?
     
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    Well, OK, I had thought you mentioned they were bring back the masks. Not sure what that has to do with radioactivity. Also a used sock on the face that was worn 40 times would not be healthy. Many people reuse masks. Then there are the little particles in some disposable masks. Then there is the issue that they say masks do not really protect us they are to protect others from us...etc.
     
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    If I put 200% it was a typo. Getting old, I guess.
     
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    My comment about masks not being so bad given my work environment was because of my work environment.

    I do not like masks and will not wear them unless necessary. You are right that with COVID they were only to protect others from large droplets (that could potentially carry the virus...like sneezes, coughs, exposure when talking, ect).

    But my comment was they do offer protection against stuff in my work environment (alpha particles).
     
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    hmmm what are the vaccinated people dying from
     
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    Who knows. People say unvaccinated folk do not really die of COVID, and if this is true then neither do vaccinated folk.

    In all seriousness, as with any virus vaccinated and unvaccinated people can die of the virus in question.

    People are not stupid (most of them). They realize presenting vaccinated people dying from COVID is the argument of fools. No vaccine is 100% effective. Also, there are the same "pre-existing conditions" that exist for unvaccinated people (a fact COVID alarmists and anti-vaccine cultists ignore).

    But there are enough fools that there will always be enough around to see vaccinated people dying of COVID as evidence against the vacvine. The majority of people, however, are probably not that stupid.

    That is one reason the UK argument was so silly. As the vaccine rate increases so will the COVID deaths among the vaccinated. That is not only logical but it is common sense. It is dishonest manipulation, stupidity, or simple ignorance to claim this rise equates to a problem with the vaccine.
     
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