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Was Jesus human like us or a different kind of human?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Apr 26, 2018.

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  1. Yes, Jesus was human like us but without sin.

  2. No. Jesus was not human like us. Jesus could never become sick or, short of being killed, die.

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  1. Aaron

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    The Incarnation is a mystery, but the one thing we can't leave the discussion with is mistaking our own corruptions as created human nature instead of human nature corrupted.

    You call your lusts a temptation, but they aren't temptations. Neither are the objects of your lusts. It's your corruption.

    You think your imperfect love for the Father is the love that is commanded, and you mistake the love your feel for your idols for temptations. The love for your idols aren't a temptation, and neither are your idols. It's your corruption.

    Christ was not corrupted. To do the will of the Father was His food. To do the will of God was the one thing He hungered and thirsted for. And doing the will of the Father was the only thing that satisfied Him.

    I don't think anyone here could say the same in truth, and I don't think anyone here has faced temptation anywhere near to the degree that our Savior did.
     
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    The doctrine based on it is a man made fabrication that says Jesus was less than God.
     
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    Thanks for the lengthy reply. But if God is perfect, how can any change not be to imperfection?
     
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    Jesus was God, with two natures. One fully Divine (omniscient) and one fully human (limited). He spoke and acted in either mode depending on his will.
     
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    Because He is God. His character and Personhood does not change, but God can change if He wants to change. The Son became fully human according to the will of the Triune God.

    Do you realize that you are effectively denying the incarnation? Luke tells us clearly that Jesus "grew in wisdom and stature and in favor with God and man" (Luke 2:52). That is certainly change, but not a change in character or Personhood.

    Exactly how does God pull this off? Mere humans do not know.

    Jesus is fully God and fully human, yet one substance/Person. He was not speaking and acting in "modes," but a fully integrated and inseparably united. He will be forever this way.
     
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    REPEAT the Kenosis does not have a commonly accepted and detailed definition but varies in systematic theologies.

    I showed one example from a Systematic Theology textbook (The one used by my school - Calvary University - in the late 60's, early 70's).

    Here it is again;

    Systematic Theology, Lewis Sperry Chafer;Vail-Ballou Press,1971; Volume I, pg.374 (The Kenosis).

    He opens the section with the following statement:

    Chafer then goes on to exegete the true orthodox meaning of the Kenosis (derived from the word kenoo in Philippians 2:7)

    This was taken from the Chapter Section called "The Kenosis".

    While it is true that Neo-Orthodoxy and perhaps some of New-Evangelicalism MAKES the Kenosis into a dogma stripping Jesus Christ of His deity it is not true of every modern Christian teaching body.

    What you are saying can be confusing to people because "kenosis" is a word taken from scripture but with its true meaning (along with most by neo-orthodoxy) distorted by unbelief.
     
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