As my pastor teavches that it still applies to believers today as a biblical principle of honoring God for His blessings, and that he wants us to give back more as we are now under a far better Covenant!
was The tithe JUST Under Old Covenant Or Now In the New?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, Oct 7, 2011.
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It is impossible to teach that the tithe has anything to do with the church and still follow what is laid down in the NT. Any mention of the tithe as a way to gage our giving destroys what the Lord has laid down.
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
The tithe is out of law, and Nt giving is totally from the heart. No one should ever give a penny above what their heart can support in cheerfulness. The Greek word translated cheerful is one that means great joy. We get our English word hilarious from it. So we are to give at a level where we feel great joy with no necessity and not grudgingly. If it is hard to give the amount we give then we need to back off to an amount where we feel joy in our giving as our joyfull giving is what pleases the Lord not how much. Doing it the way the Lord set forthin the NT sets the person free from legalism in this area. -
Somebody help me out, please: Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc., where is tithing mentioned in the 600-odd laws given?
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Well, I'm going to quote what Paul said on how much the NT believer should give.
"Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." 2 Corinthians 9:7
So, if you have decided in your heart to give 10% because you see that principle, then give it and give it cheerfully. -
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Genesis 14 - Abram's tithe of the spoils of war to Melchizedek
Genesis 28 - Jacob's ambiguous bargain with God
Leviticus 27 - The tithe defined as of crops and livestock (crops could be redeemed, but not livestock)
Numbers 18 - The tithe as replacing the inheritance of the Levites and priests
Deuteronomy 12 - The annual festival tithes in Jerusalem
Deuteronomy 14 - The annual festival tithes in Jerusalem and third-year poor tithes
Deuteronomy 26 - The firstfruits and third-year tithes as distinct ordinances and their vows
1 Chronicles 31 - A return to tithes under king Hezekiah and the construction of the Temple storehouse chambers
Nehemiah 10 - A return to tithes with the Persian remnant under Nehemiah
Nehemiah 12 - A return to tithes continued with the portions brought to the Temple for the ministering courses of Levites and priests
Nehemiah 13 - The priestly scandal with Eliashib and robbing the tithes from the Levites
Amos 4:4 - A sarcastic command from God to continue bringing tithes and worshiping at the wrong place
Malachi - The priests robbing God in tithes and offerings
Matthew 23:23 - Jesus condemning the Pharisees and scribes for being partial in the Law, but commending their meticulous tithes of garden spices
Luke 11:42 - Same as above
Luke 18:9-14 - A parable about a Pharisee who tithed and a publican who repented and was justified
Hebrews 7 - The priesthood of Melchizedek confirmed with Abram's one-time tithe, and replacing the inferior Levitical priesthood -
I believe that there exists a command to use musical instruments, but it is found only in the OT. Therefore it is unscriptural to use instruments in our churches today.
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It doesn't mention that any of the disciples were musicians.
It is one thing to have some "tradition" and quite another to form a "doctrine". -
It all depends on the heart motivation in our giving unto God in all things, time/talents/monies...
IF we give out of gradtitude and desiring to see God be blessed and to bless others, that is biblical motives
regardless if one holds to a strict tithe for today or not!
And IF one holds tithing is for today, IF done in faith and conviction, that would apply to him as being valid, same IF ones to it NOT being for today! -
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I think the NT says to sell ALL that you have and give to the poor. This means you can't own anything. Pensions are not taught in the NT either. Guess we better give them up too.
This division of the Bible sounds more dispensational than biblical to me. But, I am just an ignorant fool saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ, what can I know!
Cheers,
Jim
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