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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by George Antonios, Sep 9, 2020.

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  1. MB

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    Still the word "Sovereign" is not found in the NASB.God can do any thing He wishes though He never makes us sin. God temps no man to sin
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    " which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
    16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him [be] honor and eternal dominion! Amen."     ( 1 Timothy 6:15-16, NASB )
     
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    All humans are 'predisposed' to be self willed 'non-Cals' from birth. It's our condition by default.
     
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    One truth about Calvinist is that they are of two minds. First they say God predestines whatsoever comes to pass, and then they say God did not predestine our each and every sin.

    If Calvinism were true, and it is not,then non-Cals would not be even able to understand the spiritual truths of Calvinism, and therefore due to the consequences of the Fall they were predestined to be non-Cals.

    Many reasons can to concocted for Calvinists, needlessly in their minds, to defend their bogus beliefs. We could claim they are simply being prideful, hey look at me, I know what scripture says, you guys hate God and cannot even understand His word.

    But I must confess, I have no idea why all of them cannot see or understand the truths of scripture. I hope it is not partly because of the practice of deceit. If their hearts have been hardened beyond the event horizon, then I too am shoveling sand against the tide.
     
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    You struggle with the ordination of God.
     
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    Calvinism offers cognitive dissonance, and claims others not so inclined have problems. :)
     
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    Cute. But you didn't answer the OP question.
     
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    You didn't answer the OP question.
     
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    A) What's the functional difference between "predestinated" and "ordained"?
    B) Does that then mean that verses about God ordaining things or people cannot be used to prove predestination, since the two are different?
     
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    Calvinism in regards to TULIP is of God though, as sinful man would not dream up a grace based theology, but keep to own good works!
     
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    Yes I did. You may not grasp that I answered it.
     
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    #5. YOU ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DOCTRINES OF GRACE
     
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    None. The word "predestined" just has specific scriptural "baggage" that should not also be applied to all other things (like sin).

    Nope. They are "more alike than different" in scripture. However scripture says that God "predestines" people to be conformed to the image of His son, but the Bible chooses other words when God "makes a vessel for destruction". I am only trying to honor the biblical distinction (whatever reason God placed it in there for).

    Does scripture say that God "predestined" Pharaoh?
    Does scripture say that God "predestined" Judas?
    Then neither will I.
     
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    I disagree.

    I agree.
     
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    Ah, ok. That makes sense now. Thank you for being the only one thus far with enough integrity to answer clearly.
     
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    Is it just me,
    or does anyone else see the difference in what is being stated here?

    To me, one has to do with level of understanding...
    While the other has to do with being capable of understanding.

    Does the second quote apply to the first quote?
    Let the reader decide.
     
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    Wow, you just destroyed my response! I'm devastated!
     
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    How can God be in complete control of every thing if He can't stop you from sinning?
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    It's ok. If you just try a little harder, then God WILL love you. ;)
     
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