Were souls created before the body is formed?

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  1. loDebar Well-Known Member

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    so is yours, a body, family, place and time to hear the gospel

    Rom 8:29

    For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to beconformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
    Rom 8:30

    Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
     
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    Before God created me, my soull was non existent!
     
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    if you mean your body? there is problem.. If you mean you were created as a spiritual being , I agree.

    Do have verses for you position or just tradition or ego?
     
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    David was created by God in his mothers womb, and he was soul/body at that time
     
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    First of all loDebar this is a question of speculation and as SG said he doesn't know, now you can wrestle with scripture all you want but that doesn't make what you say true... But there is a scripture that does say and I will go with SG and all the other brethren that question your question... The answer is not revealed so it must be concealed!... Brother Glen:)

    Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

    Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!


     
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    You’re asking a ? that’s dealing with election, and that’s not the topic of the OP. I don’t, and won’t, derail @loDebar ’s thread. If you want to, please start a topic in the CvA thread and I will gladly chime in there.
     
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    Now you’re off the rails, off the deep end.

    Here’s the definition of ‘eternal’...
    lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.

    Our spirit is not eternal. Only the triune God is eternal.
     
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    What about our souls? Are they eternal?
     
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    He was formed
     
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    "So shall we forever be with the Lord:

    Eternal is outside of time
     
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    Don't make up definations

    Everlasting is till the end of time
    Eternal is outside of time
     
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    i provided verses that support the position. It is evident by the words of Jesus,

    I believe this:
    Mat 13:14
    And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
     
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    Not eternal as God is eternal. Eternal means w/o beginning or end. We have a beginning but we will never cease to be throughout eternity, but that does not mean are eternal. Only God is eternal.
     
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    I am not making up definitions. Look up eternal and see it for yourself man.
     
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    The old rabbis also deny the Christ is the Son of God, so I would not use them to bolster your position if'n I were you...
     
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    The spirit of man is what is saved, then the body is redeemed at the Christ's second advent.

    I am curious to see how long they allow you to peddle your new age mysticism on here.
     
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    Don't give heed to Jewish fables. Titus 1:14
     
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    They did not deny Him before He came
     
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    The natural man, his body and soul, was created in Adam. All our breath is from that breathed into his nostrils on the 6th day. Creation is not ongoing. We don't think creation is ongoing when new bodies are formed. We see it as the ongoing process of living cells, like apple trees bearing apples and growing new apple trees.

    There is nothing to indicate that it is not the same way with the spirit of man.

    To go beyond that is to go beyond what is written. The idea that "becoming human" is a process of the salvation of pre-existent souls is superstitious claptrap.

    One wonders why IoDebar is so hawkish on proving the Mormon doctrine of pre-existence?
     
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    Jhn 3:15

    That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    Has a beginning