For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to beconformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
First of all loDebar this is a question of speculation and as SG said he doesn't know, now you can wrestle with scripture all you want but that doesn't make what you say true... But there is a scripture that does say and I will go with SG and all the other brethren that question your question... The answer is not revealed so it must be concealed!... Brother Glen:)
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
You’re asking a ? that’s dealing with election, and that’s not the topic of the OP. I don’t, and won’t, derail @loDebar ’s thread. If you want to, please start a topic in the CvA thread and I will gladly chime in there.
i provided verses that support the position. It is evident by the words of Jesus,
I believe this: Mat 13:14
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Not eternal as God is eternal. Eternal means w/o beginning or end. We have a beginning but we will never cease to be throughout eternity, but that does not mean are eternal. Only God is eternal.
The natural man, his body and soul, was created in Adam. All our breath is from that breathed into his nostrils on the 6th day. Creation is not ongoing. We don't think creation is ongoing when new bodies are formed. We see it as the ongoing process of living cells, like apple trees bearing apples and growing new apple trees.
There is nothing to indicate that it is not the same way with the spirit of man.
To go beyond that is to go beyond what is written. The idea that "becoming human" is a process of the salvation of pre-existent souls is superstitious claptrap.
One wonders why IoDebar is so hawkish on proving the Mormon doctrine of pre-existence?