No, I said the church has begun a period of discernment. The pastor has already decided to leave the denomination. It may be for another more conservative Presbyterian denominations but know one I have talked to seems to know. The latest news I heard was that he feels called to work as a missionary (within what organization I don't know) to Ethiopia. He originally had considered starting a new church in town but doesn't want people leaving the present church to join his new one. The present congregation has vital ministries going in town and I think he feels that these may be jeopardized by drawing people out of the church and weakening it financially. He sent a letter out stating to this so it's not hearsay.
What About the Presbyterians?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by DHK, Feb 19, 2010.
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It's been my observation from watching what has happened over the years in The Episcopal Church that the 'orthodox believing' stay until 'the writing is on the wall' and they have no recourse. I know, different denomination, different polity. However, there are a lot of similarities to these two denominations.
In The Episcopal Church, the openly gay bishop, Vicki-Gene Robininson said that after The Episcopal Church opened it's doors to gay clergy people would flood into the denomination. Quite the opposite has occurred. -
>In John 10 Jesus said that he was the door - and that no one could enter the sheep fold any other way - but the door.
>in John 6 no one comes to the Father but through Christ.
>In both cases Christ is speaking to Jewish followers - that hadl to a doctrinal view of Jesus -- that we today would not accept as fully "Christian".
>In essence the followers of Christ were expecting the messiah to deliver them from the Romans.
Assuming this cited comment is germaine to the thread because I'm the only one who changes the subject, what does one's expectations regarding Jesus have to do with God's ability to regenerate the person?
In other words, Jewish followers expected deliverance from Rome and Baptist followers expect to be "raptured." What is the theological difference between these two expectations? After all, 400 years or so later Jesus'es followers were delivered from Rome.
And exactly what do "through" and "by" mean? In other words, What is the initiating and empowering agency in John 10 and 6? If the initiating and power comes from God/Jesus/Holy Spirit then Trinity is not permitted to act unless the subect's theology is correct? And if not, then is God a "Pelagian?" -
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>Do they all teach evolution?
Where does the Bible permit the Church to teach anything but "Christ and him crucified?" If the church only taught the Gospel maybe this question would not arise. -
Don't cast stones unless you know what you are talking about.
My wife is a former Bible Presbyterian. It is one of the branches of Presbyterianism that would put most of them to shame as far as preaching the gospel, evangelization, and zeal for a Godly life is concerned. -
DHK, I should have written with more clarity. The church I am speaking of is PCUSA. What I know about it is what I have read (in a letter sent by the pastor himself in which he states he is leaving that denomination) and heard from one of it's elders. No slander intended. I'm not casting stones. I think the church is wise in discerning another much more conservative Presbyterian denomnation.
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So far we have no example of Christian group promoting gay agenda items without first promoting evolutionism.
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As the board's resident Presbyterian, I thought I would add my two cents to this. I am saddened to see such poll, though not entirely surprised. There seems to be continued movement away from orthodox Christianity in many mainstream Protestant denominations, indeed all of Christendom it seems.
To keep things in perspective here, the poll involved less than 1/2 half of 1% of the PCUSA membership -- hardly a valid poll. Thankfully, the poll also found a larger number agreeing with the statement "Only followers of Jesus Christ can be saved" than otherwise.
Like many denominations, the PCUSA varies quite a bit. There are still many good churches, good pastors and good lay people. I hope and pray that they will be able to turn the tide against the liberalism that has invaded their denomination. -
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Liberal clergy = clergy afraid of the not-so-liberal laity. -
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Liberal clergy = liberal laity
Liberal clergy = secretive clergy.
Liberal clergy = clergy afraid of the not-so-liberal laity.
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Actually, I think all three are correct
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