What contributions have Catholics made to Christian theology?
What contributions have Catholics made...
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by JohnDeereFan, Jan 17, 2010.
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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None whatsoever.
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Those are not contributions.
They did, however, contribute heavily to keeping the Bible extant in western Europe up to the 1500's. -
JDF, I wonder if you have read Hitler’s Mein Kampf? In it he posits the question of what contribution have Jews made to civilization. Then he goes at great lengths to show that no Jew has ever made a significant contribution to anything of value in the world. All lies. It was 50 years ago when I read Mein Kampf but somehow it came to mind when I read your post. -
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That was a piece of hate literature. The intent of the thread is similar. -
Are there even any Catholics here to defend their beliefs?
Lacking a voice on the other side of the debate - this thread seems completly uncharitable. -
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
What's more, if your claim is true, then how do you respond to Gramhe's acknowledgement that there were thousands of copies of the scriptures before the founding of the Catholic Church, according to you, on the day of Pentecost?
Interesting how liberals have no problem with Catholics asking a question, but when a Christian asks the same question, you compare him to Nazis and say that he's hateful. -
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Compare the schism of 1054 when Rome and Constantinople separated into Catholic and Orthodox. Or consider 1517 when Martin Luther nailed the 95 theses to the door in Wittenberg. These are historical watersheds. However, no credible historian can point to a single event or even a series of events to separate the Catholic Church from the church for the New Testament. -
I looked at each poster's profile and saw no one listing their denomination as Catholic. -
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The Catholic Church did not begin on the Day of Pentecost; far from it. What began on the Day of Pentecost was the Church of Jerusalem, and then other churches began after that. There is no where in the NT where ekklesia refers to "catholic" or universal, and that usage is entirely foreign to the early church believers in general.
Even so, Zenas, you should be intelligent enough to know that English was not spoken in the time of Christ, the time of the Apostles, no, not even in the fourth century. There is a fatal flaw therefore in your post.
Secondly, you left out a very important piece of information about Ignatius:
As I attested, there were only churches in the first century. This ECF, Ignatius, not known for sound theology, was the first one to use the word "Catholic" not, of course, as an English word.
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I have read often that the origin of the RCC is closely associated with Constantine, but never anywhere but in the footnotes and margin notes of Protestant bibles. Catholics list a line of popes (correctly designated as bishops of Rome) going back to Peter and all of them are historically verifiable. I have never seen that list with an asterisk by some name about the time of Constantine noting that this was the first pope of the RCC. If you're suggesting that it morphed into what it is today, you would be partly right. All institutions morph over time. Did you know the early Baptists forbade the use of musical instruments? Incidentally, the name of the church in Vatican City is The Catholic Church, NOT The Roman Catholic Church. -
Zenus...
The Catholic Church began on the day of Pentecost.Click to expand...
What became the abomination now called the Catholic Church of Rome had its genesis around the time of Constantine around the 4th century.
At that point the true church of Jesus Christ...the true "universal" church...that started on the day of Pentecost had been in existance for 4 centuries.
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