I asked you, "Do you know what "do not give him a greeting" means?
You mentioned earleir that you talk to them outside your door. Apparently you talk to them beyond a greeting. Why?
What do you normally do when a Jehovah Witness knocks on your door?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by TaliOrlando, Mar 27, 2008.
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#2. I usually consider the verse in question to refer to someone in your own denomination that you know to be teaching error.
However when you look "at the context" in the NT - the Jews were considered "the people of the book" and the gentiles were "the unwashed masses" according to Eph 2. Christians were not to avoid the Jews -- for indeed the Jerusalem council WAS little more than "Christian Jews".
In fact that whole point was to study with Jews and Gentiles - to conver them.
Rather the problem was with fellow Christians who were teaching error.
That is much more analagous to our dealing with people inside our own respective denominations that are teaching error and not offering them any aid as they do so.
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Your help make my point more clear by pointing out that the third epistle of John was personal because it was addressed to an individual. Thank you. -
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The believer is commanded to obey the Great Commission, and to go and evangelize the lost. Always he is commanded to GO! Never is he to wait around until the false teachers come to him. He is to go to them.
We are not to go to their Bible Studies. We are to take the Word to them. We must be on the offensive with the Sword of the Spirit at all times.
There is a principle of: Always separate; never infiltrate. If a person gets saved, and he is in the RCC, then the Biblical course of action is to leave that apostate organization and come out of it. "Infiltrating" it or staying inside the organization thinking you may do good, will only do you more harm. We are to separate from ungodliness and those who do not preach the truth. (2Cor. 6:14-17).
#2. I usually consider the verse in question to refer to someone in your own denomination that you know to be teaching error.
You shall know them by their fruits.
In every NT book we are given such warnings. Your point is totally groundless and without any Biblical support.
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JW's are not allowed in my home!!:BangHead: I'd let a child molester, thief, homo, murderer etc..in my home before allowing someone possessed by the devil in. Their sole purpose is to damn your soul to hell.
Yet the Lord commands us to minister to them, as the Great Commission doesn't exclude JW's.
1 Thess 5:22 Avoid the appearance of evil
I Cor 15: 33 Don’t be fooled by those who say such things, for “bad company corrupts good character.”
2 Corinthians 6: 14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Isa. 52: 11 ¶ Depart ye, depart ye, go ye aout from thence, btouch no cunclean thing; go ye dout of the midst of her; be ye eclean, that bear the vessels of the Lord
Funny thing about JW's is, they attempt to send the good looking females to the homes of men or vice versa. If you're thin, they send the thin ones to you. Obviously, you are more likely to answer the door when the person is appealing, nearer to your age, etc..whether we are conscious of it or not. This is one reason why they often ask specifics about your neighbors, they are planning to visit them. It's for the "pairing up process". They begin asking you about your neighborhood, is it quiet? etc...A few JW's admitted this to me once while we studied.
I have studied with them in my yard, but never let them in the house. Even when they come back, I say my wife doesn't like pretty girls in the house so it works fine.
My only stipulation is I have them promise to have scriptural support for everything they teach, as I accept no opinions which have nothing to do with the text and they use the KJV bible I provide them. They are very willing to comply. I bring out a few quick snacks and beverages.
They always have plenty of time, and travel in pairs.
It always goes the same way, no matter what we study. The sentence in their material starts out trying to make a point, offers a scripture to back up their point, then the next sentence "slips" in an opinion contrary to the scripture the provided. Over and over I ask about it, meekly point out the discrepancy, and they get embarrassed. Some attempt an explanation, yet it's easy to use their own words against them. Just repeat it back and point to the scripture and opinion again, and ask "Now does what you say make any sense?" You become a robot, so the conversation goes in circles for hours.
They become flustered very easy. The third time they come to my yard to study, I meekly ask them if they would mind studying the bible without their watchtower material because by then, they are usually quite embarrassed of all of the continous discrepancies pointed out by someone with very little bible knowledge. They agree to do this, even make an appointment for our next study, yet they never show up. Imo, it causes mental anguish, so they ask for advice at their Kingdom Hall and are told I am of the devil, playing with them. They don't buy it though imo...I can't admit that I know more than what they understood because they won't study with me otherwise. Not sure I could hold my own with them but planting a seed of doubt using their own materials is quite easy :thumbs:
Edited to add: It takes me a while to type a post so any similarities to DHK's most recent post is only coincidental. I hadn't read it before typing this out. -
All those above mentioned are possessed by the devil.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? -
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To correct my error, JW's are probably possessed by a demon, not the devil himself since the devil cannot be everywhere at once.
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I introduce myself and ask them for their names.
I then tell them I will not talk with them unless they agree to give me their addresses.
They usually want to know why.
I tell them because you know my name and where I live and it's not fair that I don't know yours so I can come to visit you and share my faith with you. They are told repeatedly that they're the only ones who visit. ( I don't know what they do when they run into the boys on the bicycles)
I've actually had three give me their address. My wife and I visited. One was not at home so we left tracts. Another would not let us in. She wouldn't even come to the door so I told her husband why I was visiting and I think he was a little put off by her unwillingness to at least talk to me and saw the inconsistency in her position. Another invited us in and we had an engaging conversation and were able to witness to her. I hope it made an impact.
Now I live in a town where my neighbors are JW's and apparently they've put the word out cause we don't ever get any JW's as visitors. -
I forgot to mention that I have by my front door I have copies of things they claim to support their theology. Those things show the lie they believe uisng their own claims from the books they quote.
I give them the copies and ask them to return once they have read them. Very few return.
It works well especially when I am in a hurry or busy. It also allows them to read their own materials which proves their theology inconsistent and wrong. -
I don't invite them in but I will talk with them. I've never found them to be rude nor too argumentative. They are always dressed nice. And, they know their stuff. Many Christians could learn a lesson or two.
I was stopped outside of my seminary housing in N.O. one afternoon by some JW's. I told them that SBC pastors in training lived in my apartment complex. They didn't care. So I went and got my Bible. Their twisting of scripture was very subtle and even provocative. It's funny because several of my fellow seminary buddies didn't even stop to help out. I felt like the beaten man on the side of the road while the priest walked by. Except my friends weren't disgusted. They were smirking at me. "Poor sag. What has he got himself into?" At times I was beginning to wonder the same thing. It was five against one. In the end all I could do is pray for them.
Is it true that you can hang a U.S. flag on your house and the JW's won't come a knocking? -
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I take the books they quote and make copies of them so they can see for themselves the lies that are perpetuated by their cult.
Over ther years I have read some of their books and then made copies of their supporting sources from authors like a.T. Robertson. Obviously they make quotes out of context and apply to say what they want.
For Mormons
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It is incredibly unlikely they are demon possessed by Satan or even the most trivial of demons. They have, by their own will believed a lie and are living according to it. I'm not trying to be contentious, I just think going down this road leads to no where. -
I always tell them I will will talk with them if they are willing to listento me as well. It is amazing how many will. I am convinced that most of the people are seeking for truth.
Once as JW was seeming very interested in the true gospel and we exchanged phone numbers. However, when I called a few days later he wouldn't talk. I'm sure the leaders got a hold of him and "straightened him out". I new that something good would come from this thread than an argument about if we can talk to them in our house or if it has to be in the front yard. -
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2. Do not allow them into your house.
3. Do not even say good-bye to them (bid them God speed).
What is hard to understand about that passage?
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