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What happened to global warming?

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Revmitchell, Oct 11, 2009.

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  1. rbell

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    These morons just keep making dumber and dumber statements:


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8313672.stm

    What a bunch of baffoons.

    I hope there's a worldwide mooning of that terrorist-coddling, power-hungry, mental midget on day 51.
     
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    How is it possible to know about sun spot activity from 1650 to 1700?
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    The lead-in post displayes 12 of the 15 signs of PROPAGANDA.

    // This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

    But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures. //


    These statements are TRUE but they don't mean what this author (the OP) means.

    Here are the facts The overall temperature of the Earth is made from 100,000s of all-over-the-world daily measurements. The sum of all the measurements used are divided by. Here is the joke that this misuse of inofrmation reminds me of:

    RELIGIOUS JOKE:

    I died and went to heaven. Saint Peter met me at the door and asked me why I should get into heaven. I told him about my teaching sunday school most of the years from 1958 to 2009. He said GREAT, that will be 42 points in your favor. and likewise:

    2 wives, didn't beat either -- 22 points
    3 cats, only kicked one -- 2 points
    contributed to my chruch -- 10 points
    etc. etc.

    It all added up to 129 points.
    Then he started adding up the negative points:
    lust -1279 points
    lies - 4,123,456 points
    etc. etc -- it added up to 14 Million 257 thousand and 148

    St. Peter said 14,257,148 minus 129 means you ain't getting in heaven.
    That kinda set me on edge and I said "Oh Jesus - you gotta be kidding". Peter said: "Oh, Jesus! what didn't you say that sooner. That would be 100 Million points minus 14,257,148 -- why you are welcome to heaven, come on in :)

    END OF RELIGIOUS JOKE.

    People keep talking about "my grandkids are griping in Florida, it was 45-degrees-F this morning and they are unhappy" - this never happends except every 14th January.

    GLOBAL WARMING is about all the earths temperature from the rock surface (including sea temperatures) and several miles into the atmosphere. lots of numbers. Today started out where I live 6 degrees above average and in Florida place 6 degrees below average - they cancel out each other. Don't tell me about a few temps a few places, tell me about all the average of all the temperatures everywhere (the 2009 year goes from 1 November 2008 to 1 November 2009. The number should be out soon. I suspect that 2009 will be the 0th warmest year since the figures started in 1860.

    If so, the ten hottest years will be:

    1. 1998
    2. 2005
    3. 2003
    4. 2002
    5. 2004
    6. 2006
    7. 2001
    8. 2007
    9. 2008
    10. 2009
    11. 1997
    12. 2000

    Also note that 2009 is the COLDEST YEAR in the 21st Century (2001-2100) so far.

    The average is taken over several years (maybe 1930-1980). The year closest to the average is 1938. Charts are set as offsets from the average year (my chart doesn't have that information). I use my chart 1850-2007 for my Table Top on my computer. It clearly shows that every year since 1978 has been ABOVE AVERAGE (hoter) than the average (save 1984 and 1985 which are a small negative change, but near no change). Since 1997 the change has been above 0.2-degrees-Centagrade. 2002 through 2006 had years above 0.4-degrees-C. 2007 was pretty close to 0.4-degrees-C above 'normal'.

    Sorry folks, Global Warming HAS NOT GONE AWAY. The discussion of it has gone away. Have you got your October 2009 tax estimate in yet? Have you got your Carbon Doxide trades lined up?

    BTW, there are also world maps that show the areas of most warm up.
    Siberia is real bad, the low altitude permafrost looks to be melting (the high (altitude) country of NW China should be the last place in the world that the permafrost will melt. This is caused by Russian coal plants in the Urals and Chinese coal plants

    The dead Aral sea (died about 1996-2008) is a HUMAN MADE hot spot.

    The ice pack in Artic sea (north of Siberia melts more and refreezes less. Probably MAN MADE by the same effects in Siberia.
     
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    Some people observed and recorded sun spots even way back then.

    The period in question is called the "Maunder minimum". There is an article in wikipedia that may be helpful:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

    A.F.
     
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    That UK PM is so right on!!! :godisgood:
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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    The Sun is the main driver of the Climate -- we can't do a thing about it (but are learning more about predicting what will happen)

    The condition of space inside the Orbit of Jupiter is the second main driver -- very little is known about how to predict it until we get in it; and nothing about how to change it

    Heat inside the earth is the third player -- we know less about it than the space outside the earth's atmosphere, and even less about how to control it if it does something we don't like.

    [there are other drivers, i don't know them off hand]

    Finally we get down to the 'under three percent' of the drivers we people CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT.

    polution & Carbon Dixode -- mostly coming from advanced nation oil usage and coal burning in 2ed world countrys.
     
  7. Ed Edwards

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    Remember the 1950s-1960s discussions on if it was alright to shoot (in case of fall out) the neighbors who had not bothered to prepare? I think the local SANE people (who believe in global warming and doing something about it) have GIVEN UP on trying to work with those who are in strange denial.
     
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  8. Marcia

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    It's not called global warming anymore. It's called "climate change."
     
  9. rbell

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    What a silly post. No, it's beyond silly. It's ridiculous.


    What you call "strange denial" I call "the facts don't support your wild claims anymore."

    Hence the new name..."climate change."
     
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    Ed, you actually believe that we have only 50 days to save the earth? Are you serious? Somehow I think you are yanking some chains. At least I hope you are.
     
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    I still want to know how global warming id....I mean cod-brains, say that gases made by man, cause 'global warming', and yet volcanoes are exempt.
    Shouldn't we be wearing bumper-stickers on our cars saying, "Stop Volcanic Activity"?
    I want a new cause.
    I want a new bumper-sticker thats says, "Stop Continental Drift!"
    It must be caused by the unbalance of the human population on the continents.
    "MOVE TO THE CENTER!"
     
  12. rbell

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    I expect you to come back in 51 (now, 50) days and recant.

    Of course, we'll either ignore the Prime Minister's moronic statements 50 days from now, or we'll make up more data...
     
  13. Twizzler

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    I find it interesting that if every single joule of energy used in the world last year (approximately 500 exajoules) were converted directly into heat (which it most certainly was NOT - a very liberal percentage would be 10%, but we'll go with 100% for arguement's sake), that ALL of that energy would heat up the 188 billion cubic miles of atmosphere around the earth by a total of .08 degrees F.

    The earth is in constant flux, with the sun heating our surface and absolutely tremendous amounts of heat being conducted from the earth's core to keep the average temps of the soil at a liveable level.

    That .08 degree of change, to me anyway, seems quite insignificant in the grand scheme of things. When one delves into the amazing creation that we're living in and on they must take many things on faith and for me that faith is in the Lord who created this amazing galaxy and set our earth at the exact right distance from the sun and set our core to just the right temperature to keep us warm. There's just too much coincidence to think otherwise for me... as a matter of fact it takes far more FAITH to believe in Global Warming (or climate change, as they're calling it now) than to believe in an awesome God who made all of this.

    The earth is going to run out of resources to burn (fossil fuels) soon anyway, so the point is moot. It's all just a politicial tool, used to scare us and to TAX us to death.
     
  14. Revmitchell

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    That is because the earth stopped warming in 98. And there is no evidence that co2 causes any warming.
     
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    It sounds like Russia should be the one sending those checks that the UN wants as reparations not the U.S.
     
  16. shodan

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    Global Warming Gone But Congress NOT!

    The most urgent thing about global warming is that the US Senate is going to 'attack' it with the bread from your children.

    The so-called energy bill is about 'cap and trade' which, last poll that I saw, only about 25% of people even know what it is. It's about taxing CO2, labelling it 'pollution.'

    President Obama has said [search YouTube] "Under my plan of cap and trade, electricity rates will skyrocket."[it's going to cost us more than just more gas taxes...the price of EVERYTHING will be affected]

    The last national debt clock I saw, showed each citizen of the US owing almost 40,000 dollars [over 10 trillion ...12 I think]
    Current bailout and stimulus programs, in addition to regular programs are adding Trillions more to that debt over the next four years.
    The Dallas Federal Reserve estimates UNFUNDED obligations for the future at "over 99 Trillion Dollars"]

    This alone may be enough that our country as we know it may not survive.

    Do we want to add trillions more for 'global warming'?
    If you don't speak up this is going to happen. It is going to take an all out effort by citizens to stop this.
    An MIT Meteorologist who served on the IPCC stated: “.One of the things the scientific community is pretty agreed on is those things will have virtually no impact on climate no matter what the models say. So the question is do you spend trillions of dollars to have no impact? And that seems like a nobrainer.”-- Richard Lindzen

    YOU need to tell your senators that it is a no brainer and why...Esp. key Repub.Sen's McCain, Lugar, and Graham.
    I sent this out to all my contacts:

    A Few Good Men-- Actually, I am looking for a 1,000, male or female. PLEASE Forward to others who are concerned about this

    “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” --Edmund Burke-- “No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.”

    A new Irish documentary coming this month: [“Not Evil, Just Wrong”} addresses the global warming hysteria of politicians and the media.

    While that title accurately describes most people who support the global warming “crisis”, ultimately, if the U.S. Senate passes “Cap and Trade’[Don’t be fooled with the new propaganda that this is a ‘jobs bill.’] the effects will be evil.
    The poor of this world will suffer the most.[Even at current energy prices, the poor in many countries like Romania cannot afford heat.] But even here, this may be the final nail in the coffin for our economy. It is our children who will pay the price.

    Plan of Action:

    People need to write and speak up to the news media and their Senators. AND it would be great for people to write a letter to the editor of their local paper. [ A change of FOUR votes in the House in June would have defeated this bill]

    Here is the link for Feedback to the PBS NewsHour which has closed ears for any scientists who speak out. [ On the 18 September NewsHour, Margaret Warner stated that: “this huge team of scientists from all over the globe issued these unanimous warnings about the really extreme danger to the planet.”]

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/letters.html

    Here is the link to write your Senators:

    http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

    Three key Republican Senators are particularly lacking in wisdom on this: McCain, Luger, and Graham.

    Here are links or quotes to choose from to educate these people:

    “First off, there isn't a consensus among scientists. Don't let anybody tell you there is.”-- Dr. Charles Wax, past president of the American Association of State Climatologists


    “It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming.”-- Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg, NOAA

    And from Dr. Richard Lindzen of MIT, served on IPCC: “"One of the things the scientific community is pretty agreed on is those things will have virtually no impact on climate no matter what the models say. So the question is do you spend trillions of dollars to have no impact? And that seems like a no brainer.”
    Here, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT, gives a clear, concise summary of the problem: http://www.heartland.org/events/newyork09/pdfs/lindzen.pdf

    Freeman Dyson interview on Charlie Rose, Friday, August 14, 2009: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10560Freeman Dyson Quotes http://noconsensus.org/scientists/freeman-dyson.php
    It makes very little sense to believe the output of the climate models…Vegetation is really controlling what happens whereas the emphasis in the climate models has always been on the atmosphere.
    The idea that global warming is the most important problem facing the world is total nonsense and is doing a lot of harm. It distracts people's attention from much more serious problems.
    When I listen to the public debates about climate change, I am impressed by the enormous gaps in our knowledge, the sparseness of our observations and the superficiality of our theories.
    Climate change is part of the normal order of things, and we know it was happening before humans came. [sources and further quotes at link above].

    Dr. John R. Christy, a lead author on the IPCC, Professor of Atmospheric Science and Director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama--Huntsville: [comments from debate on 11 Feb., 2009]: --Our ignorance about the climate system is enormous, and policy makers need to know that. This is an extremely complex system, and thinking we can control it is hubris. [THIS is the most important fact of the whole issue.]

    Dr. Bill Gray, Expert Reviewer of every IPCC report, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University -- Many thousands of scientists from the US and around the globe do not accept the human-induced global warming hypothesis as it has been presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports over the last 15 years. The media has, in general, uncritically accepted the results of the IPCC and over-hyped the human aspects of the warming threat. This makes for better press than saying that the climate changes we have experienced are mostly natural. The contrary views of the many warming skeptics have been largely ignored and their motives denigrated. The alleged “scientific consensus” on this topic is bogus.
    http://fortcollinsteaparty.com/inde...and-dr-kevin-trenberth-debate-global-warming/
    Quotes from Senate Minority Report, HERE: http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/un_scientists_speakout.pdf
    See what Big Brother in the UK is doing to KIDS! http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/orwells_green_britain/
    http://desoggybog.com/index.php

    See this CORE Newsletter [Congress on Racial Equality]
    http://www.core-online.org/News/newsletter/newsletter.htm

    “CO2 emissions make… no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko
     
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    It's just the modern-day version of the Incan's praying to the sun-gods to have mercy on them when there was an eclipse. They were proud enough to think that it was a sign from their god that they were doing something wrong (or right) and now many of our elected officials, as well as a bunch of others, think that we're bigger than our own earth.

    How sad to be spending so much time arguing about this.
     
  18. Marcia

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    There are 2 things known by scientists we don't hear much about, as it does not play into the popular current scare:
    1. No one agrees on the extent of the human causes of climate change

    2. No one know exactly what effects any warming or changes in climate will have on the earth or atmosphere; it's all speculation. It's impossible to predict.
     
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    you people are mis-spelling "cap and trade."

    Add an "r."

    :D :D
     
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