One poster posed an interpretation that said, "[T]hat still future day when Messiah will come, judge the nations, Israel, and set up His Kingdom."
Is it possible that the term was used of historical events that have long since come to pass (Isa. 13 & Jer. 46)?
what is the "day of the Lord"???
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Greektim, Oct 7, 2011.
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Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD. Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim. Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land. But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion. (Joel 3:9-21)
In what time period in history, and especially now, has Judah been dwelling forever, and in Jerusalem forever and ever, and the Lord has cleansed her, for it is the Lord that dwells in Zion (Jerusalem). I don't see this today. Do you?
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When was the prophecy of Ezekiel fulfilled about Isreal being fully retored as a nation AND devoted to God?
When was the Messianic prophecies of a new world by Isaiah evr fulfilled literally?
UNLESS we are to interprete ALL of prophetic scriptures as being "spiritual" -
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really was saying to those holding to to opposite viewpoint on this need to explain when my 2 references actually happened! -
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1. in a historical context--has an immediate fulfillment.
2. with a partial but future context, as in the time of Christ (ex. Joel 2:28)
3. with a further future context, as in the Millennial Kingdom (Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:16-21)
--The one reference referred both to the time of Christ and also looks to a future fulfillment not yet fulfilled. -
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A hermeneutical mistake would be to assume that all the "DotL's" are the same or refer to the same future event. I read Arnold Fruchtenbaum on this. It is not a convincing argument.
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32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
These verses above are talking about the "Day of the Lord", and these are talking about the day He was to lay down His life for us.
1 Cor. 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Cor. 1:13 For we write none other things unto you, that what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;
14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are our's in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Thess. 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
2 Pet. 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
These above verses concerning the "Day of the Lord" has to do with His second coming. Either way, these two examples of the "Day of the Lord" concerns judgement. Jesus died on the cross that we could be judged righteous for eternal life when we are clothed in His righteousness via His shed blood. The second is when He comes to seperate the Sheep from the goats, and our final judgement is rendered, whether we be "innocent" or "guilty".
i am I AM's!!
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No, that is an event that is still future. -
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Your approach seems to run all prophecy statements through Tim LaHaye and ignore what inspired writers actually say.
You have lost the right to claim you take the Bible literally. -
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
If forced to I'll look them up but I believe you will find that, in the last days or in the ladder days began with the resurrection of Christ and end with the end of the age at his return which will also be when the sun is darkened and the moon turned to blood and so forth. The Spirit of God began to be poured out on the firstfruits of the Spirit on Pentecost following the resurrection and will be upon all flesh later. -
--Do you take the Bible literally? Was he made of wood or metal?
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life."
Do you take him literally here, or is he being allegorical? Maybe the "way" is some "taoist" influence, a mystical influence that must somehow be energized in the universe. What do you believe?
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