Well I see they throw acusations around and yet no scripture to back up their point. We have posted scripture that says a women is not to teach no snatch authority from a man, which with them she wouldn't do because they go against God's order of man created first and give up the authority He wants men to take. Yet they have still not posted any verse where it is said women can teach and snatch the authority away from a man. Nor where the verse says wife of one husband or that Eve was created first then cam Adam. Oh well God said some will fall away from the turth in the end and go to fables and want their ears tickled and that is exactly what it seems they want.
What is the role of women in the Church?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by following-Him, Feb 27, 2012.
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...A reference for which you guys have repeatedly refused to supply, but resort to accusations and insults (some of you) when requested in good faith. -
Those of you failing in your attempts to explain away Phoebe being a church's deacon via your 'word studies', etc:
Take a gander at Romans 16:2 where she is called prostatis, lit. "a woman set over others".
The conservative ESV translates this with the English word patron; not patroness, mind you, but patron.
According to the Online Etymological Dictionary, the word patron derived from Latin pater "father" and in English signifies "a lord-master, a protector". -
The Australian press reports a pastor there is currently being publicly criticized, her opponents are saying/citing:
—questioning whether she is a Christian
—calling her "a disgrace"
—women are not to speak in church, I Cor. 14:34-35
—might as well just shave her head I Cor. 11:5-6
—be in submission I Tim. 2:11-12
Wonder if you approve of their campaign? -
The elder is to have a place of position in the widows under these qualification.
1 Timothy 5:9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.
10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
Phoebe may very well have been numbered amoung the widows in a place of servanthood over the younger women. But Paul made it clear she nor any woman is not to be in a place of authority over a man. As for Junia she could very well have been serving along side her husband Andronicus, the one place Paul says to salute Andoronicus and Junia in Romans 16 Verse 3 says "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:" Paul salutes this couple in the same way. Yet Junia being greeted by Paul and states this about Andronicus and Junia "...who are of note among the apostles..." in Romans 16:7, they are of note not that they are Apostles that reading into the statement, Andronicus was not an Apostle yet you want to say Junia is. The word for note in the greek is "Episemos" which means:
having a mark on it, marked, stamped, coined
marked
in a good sense
of note, illustrious
in a bad sense
notorious, infamous
They were marked by the Apostles for their service. We have nothing in the bible that gives us any further information on Junia and Andronicus, they could have very easily been a married couple as were Priscilla and Aquila, Paul even placed Priscilla names ahead of Aquila's and they even called Apollos aside outside the service to talk with hijm about spiritual things.
The Widows are to have special place under certain circumstances and Women are the back bone of the Church in Prayer, training the children and the elder teaching the younger women. The only two thing God's word says women are not to be is Pastors (teachers) of men nor to have a place of authority over men, and a Deacon is to be the Husband of one wife, which a woman can't be, although many are trying today. -
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Really???
Here are "the Australians who see scripture for scripture" attacking this conservative pastor (CAUTION video is quite vile):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4zm-Zo65ok
You may skip to 3:50 to where they start hurling your pet "versuses" against her.
Jan. 24, 2012, Pastor Margaret Court Subject of Hate Campaign
Mar. 6, 2012, Pastor Margaret Court Lampooned in Music Video -
Interlinear Greek to English
1. I-AM-TOGETHER-STANDING YET to-YOU PHOEBE THE sister OF-US BEING THRU-SERVitor OF-THE OUT-CALLED OF THE IN CENCHREA.
I-am-commending to-ye PHOEBE the sister of us being servant of the ecclesia the in Cenchrea
Notice it says of Phoebe is a THRU-SERVitor or Servant. Of the CALLED OUT that is the Church.
2.THAT her YE-SHOULD-BE-TOWARD-RECEIVING IN Master WORTHly OF-THE HOLY-ones AND MAY-BE-BESIDE-STANDING to-her IN WHICH EVER OF-YOU she-MAY-BE-needING to-PRACTISE AND for she BEFORE-STAND OF-MANY WAS-BECOME AND OF-SAME OF-ME
THAT HER ye-should-be-receivng IN Lord WORTHly OF-THE saints AND may-be-standing-by her IN WHICH EVER ye she-MAY-BE-needING matter also for she patroness OF-MANY was-become AND myself OF-ME
Notice it does place the word as Patroness, that she BEFORE-STAND OF-MANY she stood before many as a Patroness.
The greek word is "Prostatis" for which you seem to be looking at this means:
a woman set over others
a female guardian, protectress, patroness, caring for the affairs of others and aiding them with her resources
Notice she aided them with her resources no where is it saying she was a teacher of them, nor that she was anything more than a protectress. This is a little like Rahab and her hiding the spies in Jericho, she was a protectress of them. She was like a Mother to them. Like Here:
1 Timothy 5:2 The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity
Like this:
1 Timothy 5:9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.
10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
She was a motherly figure who cared for the needs as a protectress over others. -
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So, the Australians you refer to who see Scripture for Scripture would be what appears to be a liberal/secular (based on appearance) television show? -
these Australians see scripture for scripture = revwmc's words, not mine
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My take on it still did not make it biblically right! -
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http://www.victorylifecentre.com.au/blog/?p=76
She's preaching traditional values, marriage being between a man and a woman.
You consider that "contrary to scripturem"?
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