Genesis 1:28?
1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply! Fill the earth and subdue it! Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that moves on the ground.”
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What is the worst sin one can commit?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by mattjtayl, Feb 17, 2009.
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On a more serious, and directed note, I would suggest that the Bible (and therefore God) make a pretty significant distinction about how differently God sees sin in our lives. Not all sins are equal.
In fact it seem clear in Scripture that sexual sins are a particular abomination before God and would be considered to be more harmful than others. -
You nailed it! That which is not of faith is sin. Jesus said except you believe I am He, ye shall die in your sins, and where I am, ye cannot come. Also "Let not your hearts be troubled. If ye believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father's house are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. If I go away, I will come again and receive you unto Myself, that where I am ye may be also."
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Further evidence that this is an opinion forum.
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Sorry, wrong forum.
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Depends on who you talk to, or if you mean what God thinks. Of course, to God sin is sin. Christians seem willing to forgive anything EXCEPT divorce--and particularly remarriage. I was twice condemned in churches because of being divorced, which is one of the main reasons I've gotten so discouraged and disillusioned with churches.
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James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point, shall be guilty of all.
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Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
The question is what is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? I always believed it meant ultimately rejecting Jesus as your Lord and Savior. If you read further in MAT 12, however, you find that it means to attribute works of God to the Devil.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.
This fits in the particular situation was in at that time but I still don't know what it means to us today. -
RE: What is the worse sin one can commit?
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Servent, you are right on. The worst sin, when it comes to eternity, is the very first one.
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I would rather all the sin or sins in the whole world than the one unpardonable sin which is beyond any hope whatsoever..
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I disagree with you PJ, I don't think that is clear at all.
Just Christian's quote of Matthew 12 is very applicable here, there is one unforgivable sin. It has to be the worst. After that, the penalty of any sin is hell. Lying to your parents when your a kid, or keeping a harem of harlots as an adult for your personal pleasure, either one will send you to hell.
Where the Bible does specify sins of a sexual nature they are often grouped with other sins. I Cor 6:9 gives us clear condemnation of homosexuality and adultery, but verse 10 groups that with drunkenness and covetousness. Then verse 11 points out that we were like that before we were forgiven.
Now I have never had a sexual relationship with another man, but you know I have coveted after things that were not mine and the Bible clearly makes those sins equal there in I Cor 6.
To the hypocrites of the modern church the worst sin is that sin they have never been tempted to commit. It is easy for me to condemn a homosexual if I have never been tempted by homosexuality. It is easy for me to condemn Jon-Marc for being divorced if I have never been divorced. It is much easier to condemn others than admit my own sin which the Bible equally condemns.
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If someone makes a rolling stop at a stop sign, surely that is not the same as robbing a bank or committing murder.
For example
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/183 -
Also see Prov. 6
16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19 a false witness who pours out lies
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Thanks Marcia, very interesting that God uses that same word, "abomination" to describe homosexuality in Lev 18 and lying in Proverbs 6. Thanks for the post.
I think it is really cool how God always, when condemning sin groups the more exotic shall we say with the common. I mean look at the 10 commandments. Don't Murder, don't steal, I can live with that. Then you add honor your parents, keep the Sabbath day, and don't covet. That gets a lot harder. Especially when we talk about sins like covet that occur only in our minds. Then of course Jesus expands on all the commandment to include our mind linking lust and hatred with murder and adultery. I have never murdered anyone but I can't say that there have not been times I didn't want to.
I don't know if I buy the "degrees of punishment" theory. The passage in Matt 11 is saying more about the responsibility of those who hear the gospel then grading individual sins. The only other places that word (tolerable) occurs are Mark 6 and Luke 10. If in the end death and hell and all that are in them are cast into the lake of fire how can there be degrees of punishment there? Do you have any other passages that hint at this? I am not saying its not possible, I just don't know if there is any Biblical evidence of it. I am open to the idea if you can show it to me out of the Word.
I know in Revelation 20 the lost are judged based on their works, but then after they are judged they are all cast into the lake of fire. If we are judged according to our works we are all guilty and condemned. I don't see that one condemnation is somehow more tolerable than another except that those who heard a clearer presentation of the gospel had more opportunity to accept God's salvation. -
This is not an unusual idea - I think it is backed up. And it fits in with the belief in a just God - would an ordinary unbeliever suffer as much as a Hitler in hell? I don't think so.
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I realize that the idea of degrees of punishment and reward is not unusual. Lots of people believe this. It appeals to our sense of fairness and justice. But when carried a degree further it appeals to our sense of self justification and encourages our condemnation of others. It allows us to overlook our minor sins and excuse ourselves while we condemn others. Look at the sins listed in your list from proverbs, murder of the innocent listed with lying and encouraging dissent. God considers the gossip as much a sinner as the murderer and puts them both on the same list.
You ask, "Would an ordinary unbeliever suffer as much as Hitler in hell?" and I have to answer that according to the Bible the answer is yes. The only exception, supported by the verses you quoted from Matthew 11 and Luke 12 is that those who knew better, those who had more chances to accept the gospel, will regret it more. If there is any differentiation between the lost given in scripture it is on this basis alone.
The lost are all lost. You can't be any more lost than lost and you can't be any more saved than saved. The idea of rewards in heaven is linked to this and from what I read any recognition we are given in heaven will be thrown before the throne of Christ. There is a biblical idea of the last being first and those who were overlooked in this world being praised by God in heaven, but even that idea does not mean physical reward.
I realize lots of Christians disagree with me on this and that is OK, I am sure there are other areas we disagree on as well. -
I realize that I may be in the minority on this issue but I am not alone. Here is an online link to an article I agree with on this subject:
http://www.wlstheologia.net/files/ToppeHell.pdf
From the link:
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What is the worst sin one can commit?
Blasphemy.
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