What verses say that faith is a gift that God gives man?

Both interpretations are external to elements in the verse. But fine.

 

What does that even mean???

 

Precisely!

 

So you agree with me now? My point is, if the sins are all paid for, which they are not, the payment is not being made to the sinner so the sinner cannot refuse the payment.

 

You redefined world.
Then your interpretation claims that they claimed they were bought. But the verse simply stated a fact.
You are forcing things into the verses.

 

My point is that men are said to reject (John 12:48) therefore the payment was made for rejecters.

 

No, actually I didn't. Context matters.

You have to look at the whole of Scripture. It goes AGAINST Scripture to say they were bought when they were not. Can you lose your salvation? No. Therefore they were not bought.

 

That verse does not say payment was made for their sin.

 

If that's the only answer, I rest my case.

 

You haven't even made a case.

 

Ok

 

Look at it this way, you say I redefined world right?

The World Series is coming up and during the playoff game tonight the announcer says, "The eyes of the whole world are watching this moment right now." Does that mean that literally every person on earth is watching the playoff game?

 

#4

 

Nope not a number 4, I asked a question. Therefore I am not telling him what he believes but asking a question.

 

#1

#3

 

You are like an annoying gnat sometimes. I love you but good grief.

 

You wrote:
"Some of Christ's sacrifice is wasted, YOU SAY?"

No, he doesn't say that. You are putting words in his mouth. You are creating a strawman.

So far we've had argument #1, #3 and #4 applied to 1 John 2:2. The verse must really give Calvinists fits!

 

Hey, my shorthand saves me a lot of typing.

Love you to, my brother in Jesus.

 

Again, note the wonderful question mark at the end.

Nope, asked a question.

Nope doesn't give us fits at all. We actually read it in context.

 

lol

 

#2.

C'mon, you can run the table with a #5 and a #6. <Waiting>