I see the church of Rome/Sda/Mormons/JW as examples all of churches that claim to be christian and within the fold, and yet their own teachings and doctrines are not within the pale of Orthodoxy, and so when being set up as being acceptable , just another christian viewpoint, needs to be addressed!
What would qualify as being heretical doctrines?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Jan 27, 2018.
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The part where I may agree with you regards other churches with whom we have a common relationship (an active relationship). Here we can warn and if the warning is disregarded discontinue that relationship.
I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, but that's the direction I'm leaning. -
Back in the earliest church, The Way was a distinction that was the difference.
Now the current church climate seems to present a way without distinction and the difference is to be minimized.
When did the church move away from The Way to start allowing just anything that sounded good and presentably ear tickling?
Personally, I recall that Timothy being instructed by Paul:
8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also. (2 Timothy 3)BUT, the church no longer is so pure that such as this that present "folly" are not "obvious to all" but are chased after as having the "word of knowledge."
Why is it that the church is so afraid of purity?
Is it because the membership is scared their own sin will be exposed?
Do they not remember that the very Lord that saved them knows all about them?
Folks are just ashamed of what is pure, wholesome, virtuous, and right.
Most would get by with a cheater and a liar if such presented a good "you will feel good about yourself when you leave here" talk.
Sad, but what more can be expected from folks that do not know the Lord. -
NOT speaking to the individuals in those churches, but to the teaching/doctrine associated with those groups? -
One would be that which is completely separated by traditions or other writing held favorably such as is part of the SDA, Mormons, RCC, JW and even evidenced in some Anglican, Episcopal, Curch of Christ groups in which a portion of the gospel is modified in some manner.
The other is the typical Hillsong, charismatic association, in which gradually the fleshly is feed and the Spirit is ignored. Such will find the Lord outside, not permitted entry, and the folks don’t even know how desperately wrong that which they have embraced.
It is that last group that is leading many Baptist churches into a n evil in which most actively choose to refuse recognition and refute. -
To put it another way - if we have to tell people we are different then what's the point? -
My problem is when we rightly see that Mormons and JW are churches claiming to be fellow Christians churches, but are not, and yet refuse to acknowledge Sda and Rome as being such also! -
The big problem is that some have treated them as if they were all just another branch of the Christian church, with their little distinctness!
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I remember Moody Bible Institute and their small book "Cults Exposed". My father had a copy (from their correspondence course material). The last chapter was dedicated to SDA. It explained that at one time Moody Institute considered SDA a cult, but as SDA doctrine has been examined at greater length they now consider them a Christian denomination with extreme views (I don't know what their opinion is today, this was a publication from about 35 years ago).
And then we have those who did consider SDA a cult until Ben Carson emerged as a Christian option.
Personally, I don't have an opinion. I believe them to be legalistic and to hold serious error, but I don't know enough about their doctrine to conclude they are not Christian. -
In this thread, there came a question about the Seventh Day Adventists beliefs. Because I consider them both extreme and endorsing a heretical view, I thought it good that the BB folks be able to see two accounts of their statements.
5 things the Seventh Day Adventists Believe: taken from
5 Beliefs That Set Seventh-Day Adventists Apart From Other Protestant Christians
1. Ellen White Theories: Ellen White is recognized by the Seventh-day Adventist church as having received the gift of prophecy as outlined in Ephesians 4 and 1 Corinthians 12. SDA sees the written works by Ellen White as "a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction."
2. Resurrection: SDA believes when a person dies, they remain unconscious until they are resurrected. Eternal life is a gift which God only grants to those who have accepted the sacrifice of Christ on their behalf. By an act of mercy on the part of God, the wicked will be destroyed by fire. Thus, Seventh-day Adventists do not believe that a person goes to heaven for an eternal reward or to hell for never-ending torture immediately upon death.
3. Investigative judgment: SDA believe in salvation by faith in Christ alone. Good works are seen as evidence of that faith. The investigative or pre-advent judgment, which takes place in heaven before the return of Jesus, reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Jesus and will have a part in the first resurrection and who among the living are abiding in Christ and are ready for translation. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus.
4. The Second Coming: SDA believes that the second coming of Christ is near and believers should be ready for it at all times. When Christ does come, the righteous Christians who had previously died will be resurrected at that time and taken to heaven. For the following 1,000 years, only Satan and his fallen angels will be living on earth. A second resurrection will occur at the end of that period. At that time Satan and his evil angels, as well as the wicked, will be destroyed. The righteous will then return to a cleansed earth, and establish the New Jerusalem.
5. Lifestyle: When it comes to lifestyle, Seventh-day Adventists hold the belief that the human body is the temple of God and thus should be cared for properly. Because of this, Adventists abstain from harmful substances like alcohol and tobacco, and maintain a vegetarian diet. Abortion is acceptable only when a woman's life is in danger, and in cases where a pregnancy poses a serious moral dilemma.
Here is the online doctrinal statement:
https://www.adventist.org/fileadmin...rticles/official-statements/28Beliefs-Web.pdf
Why I consider them heretical in one view is their contention of annihilation for the unsaved. They do not consider the lack of fire is eternal death, but that place of annihilation because only in God is eternal life. Therefore the unsaved are annihilated. Same belief as the Mormons have in this matter if I recall correctly. -
But I am not sure that the belief in continued prophesy itself separates the faith from Christian belief. Some here have argued that men like John Gill were God's tools for discerning proper interpretations and therefore beyond question. This is not far from the SDA opinion of White.
And while I disagree with the doctrine of annihilation, I'm also not sure it is enough to separate the group from being a Christian denomination. Many of us (myself included) appreciate the writings of C.S. Lewis, and while we disagree with some of his ideas we consider him a Christian author. Yet he also held such views of Hell.
I know I'm being lazy in asking instead of researching myself, but what do they believe in regards the gospel? -
Also, they are strong that belief is reflected in Christian conduct and living - no intoxicants, no abortions with a qualifier, no smoking, ... -
Its not Lordship salvation, its salvation coming thru sacraments. and one merits/earning the favor of God! -
Sabbath day must be kept
Ellen White must be seen and regarded as inspired prophetess
They are true remnant church
Deny eternal hell
Saved by grace, but one must keep the law to continue it
Pretty clear in same boat as JW/Mormons, a biblical Cult! -
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God bless.
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