Recently a thread was closed after certain posters ran up the number of pages in the thread presenting absurd nonsensical arguments, and off topic endless questions. The ploy was once again successful
One poster claimed all the names of everyone start out in the book. and so by inference, the names of the lost are blotted out. No scripture which says, suggests or hints at this ludicrous absurdity were provided.
It was said because the names of the lost were not written in the book since the foundation of the world, that means their names were written before the foundation of the world, then blotted out at an unstated time. Pure fabrication. There is more evidence that God put invisible pink elephants in orbit around Mars, than God blotted any name out of the Lamb's book of life.
What does scripture actually say.
1) Revelation 13:8 and 17:8 say those whose names were not found written in the book since the foundation of the world were thrown into the lake of fire. Amazingly, posters claimed a logical inference is not that other names found written in the book of life since the foundation of the world were not thrown into the lake of fire.
2) Revelation 21:27 says only those who have been written in Lamb's book of life enter the New Jerusalem. Therefore the people existed before there names were written in the book. Again, this refers to the period since the foundation of the world to the end of the age, and precludes before the foundation of the world. Notice the verse does not say only those foreseen who have been written. But this is the alteration the naysayers demand.
3) Hebrews 12:22-23 say the spirits enrolled in the general assembly in New Jerusalem have been made perfect. Therefore, they were enrolled after they were placed in Christ. And again, the naysayers deny this obvious truth.
In summary under the New Covenant, names are written in the Lamb's book of life in the period since the foundation of the world to the end of the age, after God puts them into Christ and made perfect.
When are names written in the Lamb's book of life?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Oct 11, 2019.
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I can't believe you just have this need to present what is false.
What actually the verse states is that any not found in the book, were cast into the fire.
This verse has nothing to support or refute your thinking that names are written as time moves and history progresses.
What you seem to thrive upon is the mistaken view that in some manner folks are enrolled AFTER they are placed in Christ. That is purely speculation and has no Scripture foundation. Not a single verse agrees with that thinking.
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Why would God have to "wait and see" what names to put in the book of life? Don't non-Calvinists believe God knows the future, whether or not he predestines us? -
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Provide a quote for what I said, rather than misrepresent my view.
Note folks, the change in topic, rather than address the topic.
Of course we existed for our faith to be credited as righteousness by God and then put in Christ and our names enrolled in the general assembly. -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Psalms 139:16. 'Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed, and in Your book they were all written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them.'
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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So as I am understanding you to interpret it to mean, " . . . To be enrolled into the general assembly and church of the firstborn ones, who are in heaven, . . ." -
To be consistent, when "apo" indicates a span of distance, it should be translated "from". as in I live a mile from the market, and as "since" when apo indicates a span of time as in since the foundation of the world.
CSB translation choice:
Luke 11:50
“so that this generation may be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets shed since the foundation of the world
Hebrews 4:3
For we who have believed enter the rest, in keeping with what[fn] he has said,
So I swore in my anger, “They will not enter my rest,”
even though his works have been finished since the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 9:26
Otherwise, he would have had to suffer many times since the foundation of the world. But now he has appeared one time, at the end of the ages, for the removal of sin by the sacrifice of himself.
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to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, Hebrews 12:23 NASB -
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