"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, and all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."
When did (or when will) Dan. 7:13-14 occur?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by asterisktom, Jun 9, 2021.
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Your answer is provided in the next verses.
Daniel 7:15-28
“As for me, Daniel, my spirit within me was anxious, and the visions of my head alarmed me. I approached one of those who stood there and asked him the truth concerning all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of the things. ‘These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.’ “Then I desired to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the rest, exceedingly terrifying, with its teeth of iron and claws of bronze, and which devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet, and about the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn that came up and before which three of them fell, the horn that had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and that seemed greater than its companions. As I looked, this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them, until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given for the saints of the Most High, and the time came when the saints possessed the kingdom. “Thus he said: ‘As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all the kingdoms, and it shall devour the whole earth, and trample it down, and break it to pieces. As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise, and another shall arise after them; he shall be different from the former ones, and shall put down three kings. He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away, to be consumed and destroyed to the end. And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’ “Here is the end of the matter. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly alarmed me, and my color changed, but I kept the matter in my heart.” -
George Antonios Well-Known Member
practically however he only takes over at the second coming (Rev.11:15).
The historical Biblical parallel is David being anointed as king over Israel years before (1Sa.16:13) actually taking over (2Sa.5:3).
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Notice that Christ came to the Ancient of Days. And then He was given a Kingdom, an eternal kingdom. When did this happen? Not the Incarnation or the Second Coming but the Ascension.
This same event is prefigured in the parable of the Nobleman in Luke 19:12
"A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return."
The historical connection, which would not have escaped many of His hearers, was the journey of Herod Archelaus to Rome to confirm his kingship. But the deeper significance is Christ's receiving of the Kingdom.
And then, just as the parable relates, there is the return and the voiced opposition of the people, "We will not have this man rule over us."
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tyndale1946 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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"...And his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed". gives me great comfort, as does:
32 he shall be great, and Son of the Highest he shall be called, and the Lord God shall give him the throne of David his father,
33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob to the ages; and of his reign there shall be no end.` Lk 1
7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this. Isa 9
44 And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Dan2 -
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
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Also, I see a strong parallel with the Luke 19 parable. First the investiture. Then the return to His Kingdom to slay in His presence those who did not want Him to rule over them. A cross-reference to this same time is Matt. 22:7 where the King "sent forth His armies [the Romans], and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city." -
George Antonios Well-Known Member
The pattern is clear because Christ is only judicially king now, and will be practically so upon his second coming.
That's why he's only the prince of the kings of the earth in Revelation 1:5 and only becomes KING OF KINGS in Revelation 19:16 upon his second coming. -
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