I sure am glad Peter, Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John didn't charge for the Word they shared. Most definetly glad Jesus paid it all...so that salvation is free. I'm sure glad they didn't decide to charge us for what they said? *(Not thats not what they are doing when that plate is passed around in church. ) I think that if the preachers sell their products (books and tapes) it should not be in the church (not unless they intend it to go into the church?) even then arn't they buying and selling in the temple? They should take it to a book store.
When Jesus cleared the Temple
Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by jacob62, Apr 26, 2005.
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DHK -
Why would it be wrong? Do you have a Scriptural basis, other than the policy of a given church? Please give chapter and verse (in context). If I sell a Bible to new believer, and it causes him to grow in grace, is that wrong? I sure hope not. Good study Bibles are not cheap. God forbid if the selling of good Biblical materials should be prohibited that the believer's growth might be hindered. Sometimes the only place the average believer can only get good music and good books is from the local church he goes to, which often provides a discount at the same time. Wrong? I should say not. It is the obligation of the church to provide food for its congregation. It is the obligation of the congregation not to starve the church while it provides the congregation with the tools and food that it needs to grow.
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DHK said:Why would it be wrong? Do you have a Scriptural basis, other than the policy of a given church? Please give chapter and verse (in context). If I sell a Bible to new believer, and it causes him to grow in grace, is that wrong?
Well, I guess thats just your point of view. No, it's not wrong, but as a rule when I see someone come to the Lord, or hear that someone did, I like to ask if they have a bible.
If they don't, I GIVE them one! I don't sell them one. But that's just ole dumb Tam, so I MUST be wrong.
And BTW, about that "context" stuff. IMOHO, I think it depends on who is saying whether it is in context or not!!!
Selah
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I believe now after reading all your responses, that the bible should stand alone.The Pharisees were the greatest scholars of scripture, and yet had no understanding. Jesus had understanding because he was "led by the Spirit".You scholars depend upon alot of books to gain understanding,and yet you cannot agree with each other.Pharisees and Sadducees were great scholars and could not agree.Do you believe the Holy Spirit will give you understanding of scripture directly,or guide you to a book written by a man for profit?
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Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
So the next time I go to a church who has a book and tape table set up I'm gonna try it and see where the peoples hearts are then. If I ask and they say take one I'm lible to pay anyhow because it will prove to me that their hearts are not with the all mighty dollar.
Some tape and book tables are more interested in the sales than the souls. I guess it depends where the heart is? I figure take the temptation out of the church. Now tell me agian why you think Jesus cleard the temple..... -
jacob62 I believe its the Holy Spirit all the way.
Some men are inspired by the Spirit who write the books, but if the Holy Spirit reveals it to the man who wrote the book couldn't the Holy Spirit in His time when we are ready for the same revelation..... reveal the same thing to us without costing us the $19.95 to buy it and the 3 months to read it? -
The Holy Spirit may in fact reveal things to men,but would never inspire to write a book to reveal to others.Why would we need the bible?They may be inspired by another spirit.If there are books at your church free or not,that church is saying that the bible is not enough.
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I gotta give you a hearty AMEN and a big for that one Jacob!!
God Bless you,
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People who write books and sell tapes many times are running scams, but not everyone is trying to take people's money. If they are performing a ministry, they are ministers of the church, whether or not they are permanent staff. Purchasing these materials is a way of supporting their ministries. -
God will supply the money just as he gave gold in the mouth of the fish.Jesus fed the multitude,he did not charge the sheep to support the ministry.You have it backwards.Supporting a ministry through sales is not faith.It is flesh.
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What if their sales don't offset the cost of the materials?
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What if God simply did not call them to minister?Perhaps this honest minister was honestly called by another spirit.If God calls someone to minister,they will be equipped in every way as Jesus was.
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Your starting to get it DHK!
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DHK -
Paul sold tents.He did not sell the Gospel.He even refused any pay so as not to hinder the Gospel.Pastors sell the Gospel today out of greed.
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1Co 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, "You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain." Is it for oxen that God is concerned?
1Co 9:10 Does he not speak entirely for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop.
1Co 9:11 If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you?
1Co 9:12 If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ.
1Co 9:13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings?
1Co 9:14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.
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Paul CHOSE not to take money for his ministry, but he still stated that ministers had the RIGHT to earn their living from the gospel. -
It is the same type of statement as: People with name of jacob are cheats, liars, hypocrites, and the worst kind of people you will ever meet.
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Yes,their living,from tithe? But show me where it says to sell scripture.
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