1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by 3rdAngel, Oct 16, 2019.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Now let's go through this slowly and bring everything to the light of God's WORD section by section and scripture by scriptures and see if if there is any truth in what you are sharing. Now Dan, what exactly would that garbage be when only God's WORD has been shared with you? God's WORD is not my words but God's Word and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; JESUS says those who follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Is this God's WORD and do you believe them? I will break this down into smaller posts so they are easier to read and respond to.

    "A strawman is intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent." (wiki)

    Now if I am making the OP and stating what the OP is about and that is putting up a challenge to anyone to show me a single scripture that show where we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day and where does it say "THE LORDS DAY" is "SUNDAY" or the first day of the week or any of the requests for scripture to address any of the question in the OP. How can this be a "STRAWMAN"?

    Perhaps you did not know the meaning of the word. I suggest you go look it up. So no it is impossible for the OP to be a "STRAWMAN" simply because the real argument is made in the opening of the OP and the OP is not a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. (wiki)

    More to come..
     
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
  2. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    They NEW TESTAMENT makes what a moot point? No one is "UNDER THE LAW" as you say if they have through faith repented of their sins and been forgiven of them *ROMANS 8:1-4. We are only "UNDER THE LAW" if we stand guilty before God of breaking the law *ROMANS 3:19-20.

    Sin is defined in God's WORD in the NEW TESTAMENT as the transgression or breaking of any one of God's 10 commandments *ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the "KNOWLEDGE" of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If we break it just like any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God "UNDER THE LAW" *ROMANS 3:19-20; JAMES 2:10-11.

    Now as to the claim that there is no commands in the NEW COVENANT to keep the SABBATH JESUS, JAMES, PETER, JOHN and all the new COVENANT teach that everyone of God's 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment. You just do not want to hear the scriptures here brother as you work on God's Sabbath so God's WORD goes against your tradition.

    The scriptures tell us JESUS and all the disciples kept the SABBATH * LUKE 4:16; MATTHEW 12:1-12. JESUS taught us how to correctly keep the SABBATH and that is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath *MATTHEW 12:1-12; MARK 3:1-5; LUKE 6:1-10; JOHN 7:22-23; 9:14; MARK 1:21; MARK 6:2; LUKE4:16; 31; LUKE 14:1; 23:56. JESUS taught us that the SABBATH was made for mankind *MARK 2:27 and that he is LORD and creator of the SABBATH *MARK 2:28; JOHN 1:1-4; 14; HEBREWS 1:2; EPHESIANS 3:9; COLOSSIANS 1:16-17.

    So JESUS being the creator of heaven and earth and "LORD" of the SABBATH day *MATTHEW 12:8 is the one who made the SABBATH for all mankind and is the same one who commands us to keep it holy *EXODUS 20:8-11. Now brother, even after the death, burial and ressurrection of JESUS all the dsiciples and the church were still keeping the Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment *ACTS 13:14-15; ACTS 13:42-44; ACTS 16:13; ACTS 17:1-2; ACTS 18:4-5.

    All of God's LAW (10 commandments) are taught and upheld by JESUS and all the apostles and JAMES says if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

    We might finish off this section with this...

    HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

    Not going the way you expected huh Dan? Only God's WORD is true and it shows you are in error brother. May you receive God's WORD and be blessed.
     
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
  3. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    And this is talking about the SABBATH where? Where does it say in all of ROMANS 14 (or anywhere in the book of ROMANS) that Paul is talking about God's 4th commandment SABBATH? Your trying to pit PAUL against PAUL when PAUL says DO WE MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH NO WE ESTABLISH THE LAW *ROMANS 3:31 and what matters is KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD *1 CORINTHIANS 7:19 and it is not the HEARERS OF GODS LAW but the DOER'S OF GOD'S LAW wil be justified *ROMANS 2:13-16.

    Paul tells us it is only the lost that will not subject themselves to God's LAW *ROMANS 8:6-8 and that God's LAW under the NEW COVENANT is written on the heart to love *HEBREWS 8:10-12 and that God's LAW is Holy Just and Good *ROMANS 7:12 and that it gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7 and that if we break God's LAW we dishonor God *ROMANS 2:23 and are under the law and stand guilty before God of sin *ROMANS 3:19. But you say brother that ROMANS 14 is a reference to God's 4th Commandment when God's 4th commandment is not even mentioned in the whole chapter?

    Your twisting the scriptures trying to say PAUL is saying something that he is not it is clear because through the LAW is the "KNOWLEDGE" of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20 but your working on the Sabbath blinds your eyes and ears so you do not see and do not hear God's WORD.

    Now where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? You have no scripture for your Catholic teaching and traditions Dan. It is not biblical and you know it. If you have no scripture dear brother than who do you believe and follow? God's sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who are not God's Sheep do not hear and will not follow *JOHN 10:1-10; JOHN 10:26-27. Who's side will you choose?
     
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
  4. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Let's look at the context and not provide random scripture. Where does it say that GALATIANS 4:9-11 is talking about God's 4th commandment SABBATH? It doesn't. Let's look a little deeper...

    GALATIONS 4:4-11[4], But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, [5], To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [6], And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. [7], Therefore you are no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. [8], But then, when you knew not God, you did service unto them which by nature are no gods. [9], But now, after you have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn you again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? [10], You observe days, and months, and times, and years. [11], I am afraid for you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.

    GALATIANS 4:8-11 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

    Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths. Its speaking of those who observe times.

    DEUTERONOMY 18:9-11 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

    The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes (Astrology)?

    2 CHRONICLES 33:3-6 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

    Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

    LEVITICUS 19:26-30 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

    I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.
     
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
  5. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    God's 10 commandments are not the hand writing or the commandments in "ORDINANCES" These are the "CEREMONIAL SHADOW LAWS" from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT.

    This is demonstrated with a very detailed scripture response STARTING HERE CLICK ME.

    If you disagree address all the scritures that prove why you are in error. If you cannot why not be blessed and BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD?
     
    #65 3rdAngel, Oct 18, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2019
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
  6. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    2 CORINTHIANS 3 is discussing the two glories of the covenants which are the 10 Commandments written on stone and the promise of the Spirit to write them in the heart through faith that works by LOVE.

    The one written on stone; Gives us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. We all must have a knowledge of what sin is before we can be forgiven and free to walk in God's Spirit *ACTS 2:38; 1 JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13. The promise of God's Spirit in the NEW COVENANT changes the minsistration of death (wages of sin ROMANS 6:23) to the ministration of the Spirit removing God's commandments written on stone by writing them on the fleshly tables of the heart through faith that works by LOVE *HEBREWS 8:7-12 because LOVE is the establishing and fulfilling of Gods LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word *ROMANS 13:8-10.

    2 CORINTHIANS 3 is showing the process of conversion in the NEW COVENANT with God's LAW written on stone giving us the knowledge of SIN and leading us cross of Christ and to the NEW COVENANT promise to be born again, to have God's law written in the heart through faith that works by love freeing us to walk in the Spirit GALATIANS 3:22-25; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4.

    Let's look at the scriptures and show all the context shall we?

    2 CORINTHIANS 3:1-10
    [1], Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
    [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
    [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.
    [4],
    And such trust have we through Christ toward God:
    [5], Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
    [6], Who also has made us able ministers of the new covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
    [7], But if the ministry of death, written and engraved in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
    [8], How shall not the ministry of the Spirit be more glorious?
    [9], For if the ministry of condemnation be glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness exceed in glory.
    [10], For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excels.

    Now take a look at v3 highlighted in RED which is the CONTEXT or what follows. Now take a look at the NEW COVENANT promise from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and repeated by the same same author as Corinthians in Hebrews 8:10-12 and 10:16-17

    Hebrews 8:10-12
    [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
    [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
    [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    2 Corinthians 3 is talking about the NEW COVENANT of God's LAW written on the heart through faith that works by LOVE by His Spirit. Moving from the tables of stone to the fleshly tables of the heart (2 Corinthiand 3:3; Hebrews 8:10)

    Let's look at the scriptures laid out together side by side...

    2 CORINTHIANS 3:3, [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.

    links to...

    Hebrews 8:10 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

    links to...

    JEREMIAH 31:33 [33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, said the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    links to...

    EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    links to...

    2 CORINTHIANS 3:3 [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.

    continuing in Ezekiel 36..

    [27], And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    God's Spirit of love...

    ROAMNS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

    .................

    CONCLUSION
    : 2 Corinthians 3 is talking about the NEW COVENANT of LOVE written on the heart to walk in God's LAW, through LOVE. It is NOT talking about ABOLISHING God's LAW it is talking about FULFILLING God's LAW in those who BELIEVE God's WORD. This is RIGHTEOUSNESS (Salvation) by FAITH for a SINNER that BELIEVES the WORD'S of the SAVIOUR (JESUS). What is being ABOLISHED is the condemnation and the penalty of sin [DEATH] through FAITH in Christ by walking in the Spirit under the NEW COVENANT not God's 10 commandments.
    Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
     
  7. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Dan this is just your drivel and slander here. Did you have and scriptures to discuss? These are just your words denying God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. As shown above you have not provided a single scripture to address the OP or have you provided a single scripture to show that God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us a "KNOWLEDGE" of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep "SUNDAY" as a holy day. Does this not worry you? It should because if the scriptures that are shared here are true and the are. God's Word teaches that If we win willfully after God gives us a "KNOWLEDGE" of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forwar to of judgment to come. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God *HEBREWS 10:26-39.
     
    #67 3rdAngel, Oct 18, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2019
  8. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Where does it say in anything you have provided here from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures of the annual jewish festivals that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep weekly SUNDAY (not yearly feast days) a Holy day? Once again there is no scripture is there Dan?

    Of course many of the annual feast day went longer than a week and would start on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle. What your not considering and you refuse to acknowledge or can you address is that God's 4th commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 was made for mankind *MARK 2:27-28 on the "SEVENTH DAY OF THE CREATION WEEK" *GENESIS 2:1-3 when there was no sin when mankind was in perfect harmony with God. The annual feast days were a part of the "MOSAIC SHADOW LAWS AND ORDINANCES" that were prophetic in nature pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation for mankind under the NEW COVENANT. So God's 4th commandment Sabbath cannot be a part of the SHADOW laws in God's plan of salvation because it was made for mankind "BEFORE SIN" and BEFORE God's plan of salvation was given. This alone shows why you are in error brother. My prayer for you is that you may hear God's WORD it is not too late Dan.

    You are confused brother. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT, God's "ISRAEL" are all those who "BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD * ROMANS 9:6-8; GALATIANS 3:28-29; ROMANS 2:28-29. There are no more gentiles *COLOSSIANS 3:11; ROMANS 10:11-13; ROMANS 1:17-18. Gentile believers are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL by faith *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise to love *HEBREWS 8:10-12. The SABBATH therefore continues to be a sign and an everlasting (forever) covenant to all those who "BELIEVE and FOLLOW" God's WORD.

    Do you believe God's WORD brother?
     
  9. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    You are confused as to what the OLD COVENANT is. If you do not know what the "OLD COVENANT" is brother, how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT IS? You mix up the "SHADOW LAWS" *HEBREWS 7 to 10 (Levitical priesthood, animal sacrifices, and ceremonial laws in ordinances) with God's eternal LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the "KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS" in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. LOVE is indeed the fulfilling of God's LAW in the heart of the believer. This is the NEW COVENANT. It is not separate from God's LAW which is the very expression of what LOVE is to GOD and man...

    HEBREWS 8:10-12 BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

    JAMES 2:8-11 [8] IF you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But IF you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

    ROMANS 3:31, Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

    MATTHEW 22:36-40 [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law? [37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38], This is the first and great commandment. [39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. [40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

    2 JOHN 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMENTS. This is the commandment, That, as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

    1 JOHN 5:2-3 [2], BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHEN WE LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS [3], FOR THE IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: and his commandments are not grievous.

    LOVE is not separate from God's LAW it is expressed through it and it why JESUS says "IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. *JOHN 14:15.

    Do you love JESUS Dan? Can you see your error here brother? May you receive God's WORD and be blessed.

    1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

    God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    Hope this helps...
     
  10. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Rubbish! Every single one of God's 10 commandments are repeated all through the NEW COVENANT both "INDIVIDUALLY" and "COLLECTIVELY" by JESUS and the Apostles.

    The scriptures tell us JESUS and all the disciples kept the SABBATH * LUKE 4:16; MATTHEW 12:1-12. JESUS taught us how to correctly keep the SABBATH and that is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath *MATTHEW 12:1-12; MARK 3:1-5; LUKE 6:1-10; JOHN 7:22-23; 9:14; MARK 1:21; MARK 6:2; LUKE4:16; 31; LUKE 14:1; 23:56.

    JESUS taught us that the SABBATH was made for mankind *MARK 2:27 and that he is LORD and creator of the SABBATH *MARK 2:28; JOHN 1:1-4; 14; HEBREWS 1:2; EPHESIANS 3:9; COLOSSIANS 1:16-17.

    So JESUS being the creator of heaven and earth and "LORD" of the SABBATH day *MATTHEW 12:8 is the one who made the SABBATH for all mankind and is the same one who commands us to keep it holy *EXODUS 20:8-11. Now brother, even after the death, burial and ressurrection of JESUS all the dsiciples and the church were still keeping the Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment *ACTS 13:14-15; ACTS 13:42-44; ACTS 16:13; ACTS 17:1-2; ACTS 18:4-5. All of God's LAW (10 commandments) are taught and upheld by JESUS and all the apostles and JAMES says if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. So not going to well for your claim here. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

    We might finish off this section with this...

    HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

    Sorry my brother, God's WORD disagrees with you. Receive God's WORD and be blessed Dan, it is not too late although one day it will be because if we sin willfully after we receive a "KNOWLEDGE" of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking foward to of the judgment to come *HEBREWS 10:26-39.

    God's Sheep hear His Voice and follow him *JOHN 10:26-27
     
  11. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2016
    Messages:
    4,824
    Likes Received:
    272
    You running away from a honest question.

    The man asked Jesus WHICH ONES. Jesus did not reply with ALL. He named what was required, SABBATH WAS NOT.



    The holy word of God is:

    18Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”

    NOTHING ABOUT SABBATH.

    Is Jesus A LIAR OR NOT? you SAY JESUS IS A LIAR?
     
  12. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    The only problem you have here is according to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT, God's "ISRAEL" are all those who "BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD * ROMANS 9:6-8; GALATIANS 3:28-29; ROMANS 2:28-29. There are no more gentiles *COLOSSIANS 3:11; ROMANS 10:11-13; ROMANS 1:17-18. Gentile believers are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL by faith *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise to love *HEBREWS 8:10-12. The SABBATH therefore continues to be a sign and an everlasting (forever) covenant to all those who "BELIEVE and FOLLOW" God's WORD.

    The SABBATH in the OLD TESTAMENT was also given to God's people who are also all those who "BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. This makes no difference whether before the fall, after the fall, under the OLD COVENANT or under the NEW COVENANT. God' SHABBATH was made for mankind *MARK 2:27-28 "OUTSIDE" of sin and God' plan od salvation and this is where your whole argument falls to pieces. God's 4th commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 was made for mankind *MARK 2:27-28 on the "SEVENTH DAY OF THE CREATION WEEK" *GENESIS 2:1-3 when there was no sin when mankind was in perfect harmony with God "BEFORE SIN" and BEFORE God's plan of salvation was given. This alone shows why you are in error brother. My prayer for you is that you may hear God's WORD it is not too late Dan.

    Dan the disciples met "EVERYDAY" of the week breaking break together *ACTS 2:46-47. That does not mean God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and every day is a Holy day now does it? The reason why the disciples met in ACTS 20 on the fist day of the week is given in the very scripture you are quoting. PAUL WAS DEPARTING THE NEXT DAY. The disciples met together with PAUL for a meal because PAUL was leaving the next day.

    You are confused dear brother, ACTS 15 was never about God's 10 commandments. It was over the question shown in the "CONTEXT" of ACTS 15:1-2 which was "IS CIRCUMCISION" from the law of MOSES a requirement for salvation. This was the question addressed and taken to JERUSALEM.

    You are confused where is the scripture that says everyday is a Sabbath? You say "everyday is the Sabbath to believers" Where is the scipture that says everyday is the Sabbath? There is none and your making it up. God's WORD (not mine) says that the "SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD *EXODUS 20:10. I know who I believe and follow and it is not you brother. You deny God's WORD with your words which are not God's

    Well I worry about you Dan as it is written if we sin "WILLFULLY" after that we receive a "KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH" there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of judgment to come. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God *HEBREWS 10:26-39. The only twisting of the scriptures as shown through God's WORD alone is the twisting you are doing to your own destruction.

    My prayer for you brother is that you may receive God's WORD and be blessed.
     
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
  13. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    5,690
    Likes Received:
    575
    Faith:
    Baptist
    In the end, SDAs don't preach the gospel. They preach Sabbath keeping as the means of salvation.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  14. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Thanks for this again :).

    Thanks for this :).

    I asked you for clarity to your post but you simply repeated yourself so I will share the same post I sent you earlier. Now what commandments are we talking about here? Yep the 10 commandments.

    Are you trying to argue that there is only 6 of the 10 commandmenets that we are to obey now and not 10?

    How many commandments are in the 10 commandments; 6; 9; 613? Here is a hint what does God's WORD say? *DEUTERONOMY 10:4.

    According to Gods' WORD in the NEW COVENANT if we break any one of God's 10 Commandment we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

    Now do you have any scripture that answers any of the questions in the OP? Nope! You have not provided a single one.

    Do you have any scripture that says Gods' 4th commandments which is one of God's 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Nope you do not have a single one.

    If you do not have a single scripture to support this man made teaching and tradition that breaks the commandments of God does not not worry you? It should, JESUS says those who "KNOWINGLY" do so are not following God.

    Many will be dissappointed come judgment day when they had the chance to hear Gods' WORD and chose to turn away from it only to find out too late they lost everything they throught they were gaining *MATTHEW 7:22-26.
     
  15. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Well that is not true. You have only been provided God's WORD which is the Gospel and only been asked where is the scriptures that say God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. In response you have provided no scripture accept your words that deny Gods'. It is JESUS not me that says if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. If I have only shared God's WORD with you than why do you not believe it?

    God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who are not God's sheep do not heat His Voice and do not follow *JOHN 10:1-10; JOHN 10:26-27.
     
  16. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    5,690
    Likes Received:
    575
    Faith:
    Baptist
    This is legalism that cannot save. = self-righteousness which is repugnant to God and anyone who can think at a spiritual level.
     
    #76 1689Dave, Oct 18, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2019
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
  17. mailmandan

    mailmandan Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2011
    Messages:
    235
    Likes Received:
    107
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You don’t need to worry about me because I believe the true gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16) On the other hand, I do worry about you because you preach a perverted gospel of salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works.” (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4) and no amount of scripture twisting, trickery, deceit, rhetoric or SDA propaganda is going to change that. You make a good lawyer for the SDA cult and for the adversary, but not for the Lord.

    You are puffed up on flawed knowledge and I hope and pray that your heart will become humbled and your eyes opened to the truth.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
  18. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    Than do not practice it. We are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD by faith that works by LOVE. This is God's work in us and a part of the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    Hope this helps.
     
  19. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2019
    Messages:
    888
    Likes Received:
    7
    Faith:
    Seeking Christ
    It is not me you have to convince brother. I do not judge you. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. Your words have no truth in them. The Gospel is "EVERY WORD" that proceeds out of the mouth of God yet you do not believe them so neither do you follow. As I shared with your friend we are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD by faith that works by LOVE. This is God's work in us and a part of the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    God's sheep hear his Voice (the WORD) and follow him *JOHN 10:26-27
     
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
  20. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    5,690
    Likes Received:
    575
    Faith:
    Baptist

    “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8–9 (KJV 1900)
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Prayers Prayers x 1
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...