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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Jason1, Jun 24, 2017.

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Col 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
    Col 2:17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
     
  2. The Biblicist

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    sorry, but your response makes no sense. Your "iniquity = sin = breaking Torah makes no sense as John is writing to them about a "new" commandment. We are under the "new" Covenant, not the "old" covenant in the Torah. Jesus is not the written word but the living expression of God while the written word is the expression of the will of God.
     
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    I am not going to fight about this, but Sunday, the first day of the week is the keeping of the fourth commandment under the "new" covenant (Psa. 118:23-25; Mk. 16:9; Heb. 4:9-10). It is the better sabbath because it remembers a greater work than the now sin cursed creation of old, and it points forward to a better creation to come where no sin exists.

    The Sabbath law cannot be restricted to any particular day of the week, as it is applicable to other days in Leviticus 23, to years. Nowhere does the Bible ever say that the Sabbath is the seventh day "OF THE WEEK" - nowhere and reason is because God does not restrict that law to just a day, but it is applied to several periods of time under the Old Covenant. Under the "new" covenant it is fixed to the first day of the week. We are no longer under the sabbatical laws in the "old" covenant but our sabbath keeping is described in Psalm 118:25.
     
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    The Sabbath is also known as Shabbat Shalom ( Peaceful Sabbath )!! Jesus-Yeshua Christ is our KING / LORD / MESSIAH / SAVIOUR amd HE is our True PEACE ( Shalom )

    ( Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV ) “Trust in the LORD ( ADONAI ) with all thine Heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways Acknowledge HIM, and HE shall direct thy Paths.”!! TRUST in the LORD Jesus-Yeshua Christ with All Thine HEART and SOUL!!
     
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    Read john again, especially 1 john 3:4. Then read it again.
     
  6. Jason1

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    100% incorrect. But it does sound like good church doctrine if you want to follow man and not follow YHVH.
     
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    The Sabbath was NEVER given to the Church under the new Covenant now!
     
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    Jason, you are creating your own oral law and then cherry picking which laws you are going to attempt to obey. You are a modern day Judaiser. Blind, deaf and dead in your trespasses and sins. It is heartbreaking to watch you fight for the right to spend eternity on hell.
     
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    That is exactly Jason's belief. Jason believes that Jesus (a lesser god) saved us, but we must fully obey the Torah to maintain salvation.

    Jason has already utterly failed, but he wants others to join him. He is exactly like the Judaisers in Galatians, which Paul calls anathema.
     
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    There is no basis for any reasonable discussion with you as you are completely irrational and unreasonable in your responses. You think by simply asserting and reasserting what you believe makes it so. You don't deal with any evidence presented but simply ignore it. I will let others who have nothing better to do argue with you as it is a waste of my time.You my friend are being placed on ignore.
     
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    You are quoting "you" -- right?

    Those are New Testament writers --

    But as for the OT here we have the OT telling us that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23
     
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    In fact John also reminds us in John 14 and John 12 - that Christ gave no commandments of his own - but only spoke the Commandments of the Father.
     
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    EXACTTTTTLLLLYYYYY
     
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    Last I checked, God spoke and men, moved by the Spirit of God, wrote His words. There is no separation in God's word. There is only a continued narrative of grace from Adam to Yeshua's reign.
    The law sets up God's grace in a beautiful way. Why would anyone remain stuck in the law? It has no power to save. It only has the ability to condemn. It serves its beautiful purpose of calling out for grace. God's grace is revealed, not in the Sabbath, but in the Lord of the Sabbath. Because of the Lord of the Sabbath, we who are adopted by God have entered into rest. It is a blessed thing.

    God forbid I go back to the law, when Jesus declares that the curse of the law is finished. We are now at rest. What joy is ours who know the Lord of the Sabbath.
     
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    This is all stinking thinking

    1. The law was given as grace (Deu 6:24)
    2. The sabbath was given as grace (Mark 2:27)
    3. The law has the ability to warrant blessings (Deu 28)
    4. The lawful enter into the Kingdom (Rev 22:14)
    5. Anyone not keeping the law are thrown out (Matt 7:23)

    Don't follow lawless people into the pit. They cannot see where they are going because they are blinded by false theology.
     
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    Jason, you can never be saved by the law. The law condemns you as a sinner. You are going to hell without any doubt because the law you are trying to keep is the key witness that you are a law breaker. The law condemns you.

    Jason, how are you going to free yourself from the condemnation of the law? Explain it. Use the Bible and show me how the law is going to release you from the laws you have already broken. How does the law redeem you from the law?

    Dude, you dangle over the pit of hell by a thread. Who is going to catch you when the thread burns up?
     
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    Jason we know you belong to the Hebraic Roots Movement (HRM) Cult.
    You deny that Jesus Christ is The Second Person of the Trinity Come in the flesh.
    You deny the second birth.
    You deny the Trinity.

    You can affirm right now that Jesus is God almighty come in the flesh.

    Nuff said.

    HankD
     
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    All basic answers already hashed. Read Ez 18 for one, then learn about the atonement sacrifice of Yeshua, then learn about the passover sacrifice of Yeshua. You also really need to learn what repentance is because Marcion has no clue.

    Paul's "Letters" that he wrote never trump scripture EVER. Just because he comes at the end of the book doesn't change the beginning. Find the foundation so you quit falling.
     
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    You didn't answer the question, Jason. How is the law that condemns you going to redeem you?
     
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    Redemption isn't what it is designed for.
     
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