Who is responsible?

Not just some word. But an unBibical teaching.
The Biblical teaching, ". . . Elect according to . . . ." Has a condition. God in His omniscience has always known His elect.

 

Is the Biblical position.

 

Yes, to claim there is a “condition that must be met” to merit election, you are contradicting the definition of “unmerited”.

peace to you

 

But what you are railing against is not the teaching, in fact, you AGREE with the teaching you just try to play semantics with words.

 

Again, you are stuck on the word, not the doctrine. I also, if you recall, do not call it unconditional election. I call it sovereign election. It does have a condition. The condition is God's choice.

 

First, a misunderstanding is not the same as a false accusation just calm down. Second, then I am confused by post #78 Who is responsible?

 

Unconditionalism is what is not Biblical. And the whole point of this thread. "Unconditional Election" is one major error of the commonly accepted 5 point Calvinists. It needs to become stated as "Unmerited Election." Individual Calvinists can adopt this correct view.

 

Hmmm...
Did God determine their was a condition man must meet in order to be elected?

Did God determine that there was anything needed in order to merit election?

Note: According to the Bible, God chose us before the foundation of the world. What possible condition or merit existed that we would need to meet?

37818, you are trying to strain your own boogeyman as you create your own definitions that no one else has defined that way.

 

A false assumption. You wrongly assume that there being a condition to be chosen by God means one must merit God's choosing. If that condition is not to merit being chosen by God, to say that is to merit it is very stupid.

 

False. Unmerited is a condition.

 

I believe that point has been addressed in spades, you simply don't like the answers given. This thread IS about "unconditional election." Which raises the question as to why you bring in an irrelevant teaching? Simply put it seems as though you don't feel that enough people are agreeing with you, so you try and conflate the topic you oppose with something unrelated that all would agree is false.

 

It is God's choice to have everyone's name in His book. But only remains in the book conditionally, Revelation 3:5.

 

Fact stands, unmerited is condition.

 

Show me Scripture that says every person has their name written in the book.

 

And remember, I believe that election is conditional, the condition being God's sovereign choice. You are arguing against a word, not the doctrine.

 

Revelation 3:5, ". . . I will not blot out his name out of the book . . ."
Exodus 32:33, ". . . him will I blot out of my book. . . ."
Psalms 69:28, ". . . Let them be blotted out of the book . . . ."

 

A biblically unsupported statement. In truth, it is Pelagian.

 

None of these verses say "every person has their name written in the book."

Are you aware you are teaching Pelagian theology?

 

By implication, Matthew 19:14, ". . . Jesus said, Allow little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. . . ." There being myriad of such little children who have died, their names would remain in the book. Revelation 20:15.