I don't mind at all if you ask, its one way I know I am doing a poor job expressing myself. :smilewinkgrin:
I agree that many times the word "saved" in context means someone is saved from something.
I see this use common in the OT before the cross as exampled in Matt 10:22 and 24:13 and in Luke 16 we also see even father Abraham down in paradise "saved" from hell; but not as yet in heaven for the blood cannot be spread before it was shed.
(Personally I see it as degrading the finished work of the cross to put someone at the throne of God before the cross.)
However we also see the word "saved" as meaning saved to something as in Rom 10:9.
When I ask the question of how a person would respond if someone today asked: "What must I do to be saved?" I am using the term in the sense of Rom 10:9 for the blood has now been shed and can be spread.
Do you think OldRegular will answer?
How would you answer?
Since the OP deals with the doctrines of salvation, isn't this related to the OP?
Whosoever Will
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by OldRegular, Jan 28, 2010.
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Please see:
Galatians 2:16 (King James Version)
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
It seems from the above first one believes in Jesus Christ, then one is justified by the faith of Christ.
The order would seem to be first we believe, then we are gifted the faith to know we will be raised from the dead just as God raised Jesus from the dead.
Have you ever noticed that anyone who is truly saved, knows someday they will be raise incorruptible and given a glorious body?
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I John 2:2
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I am not implying "universalism", but I am implying universal opportunity of salvation.
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Originally Posted by OldRegular
Jesus Christ came to die for sinners or the ungodly. Neither Scripture you posted states that HE came to die for all the ungodly sinners.
Scripture also says of Jesus Christ:
Luke 5:32. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Does this mean there were righteous people on earth. If so it contradicts the following Scripture:
Romans 3:10. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
And we know that Scripture does not contradict itself! In algebra, is likened to attempting to add x's and y's, unlike variables.
Perhaps we are talking around each other on this issue. In Luke, it is my contention that Jesus is being "sarcastic" toward the Pharisees and Teachers, in that, they only "think" and "assume" and take great pride in the fact that they are considered and consider themselves to be righteous. While Jesus is taking "a stab" at that pride. Jesus, rather has come to call those "sinners" to repentance, those who humbly recognizec their position before God.
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The greek word translated "believe" is pisteuo. Pisteuo is from the root word pistis. Pistis is translated "faith" 239 times. You cannot divorce belief from faith. And yes, the scripture you referred to from Galatians 2 uses pisteuo for believed. -
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Blaming God
We have been blaming God from the beginning. It was the women that you created, it was the snake that you created. You created me this way.
It is time to blame ourselves and ask God to forgive our sins. Repent and believe. Not only is He sacrificed for our sins, but He was the lamb the sins was placed on and He took it away. He has been risen on the third day. To place our sins on Him and believe that He can do what He says He can do. -
And you might want to be quick about it so someone won't take you to be a liar. (Just trying to protect your reputation here.)
However I do encourage folks to take to heart the last message from our Lord Jesus Christ as revealed through the Apostle Paul.
OldRegular, do you believe Paul had a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ? Do you believe Paul's words are scripture?
Ok, now we know what you would not tell the lost, but I am interested in what you would tell them.
Don't you agree we Christians are to bear fruit? Aren't we supposed to witness to the lost?
OLdRegular, what do you tell a lost man who is inquiring of salvation?
How do you interpret the following:
Romans 7:4 (King James Version)
4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. -
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Sorry
I work two Jobs and I can't communicate as often as a want.
John the Baptist say's He takes away the sins of the world!
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So He took away sin, but not really. He saved His people, but not really.
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Apparently we're not reading the same Bible since the one I read says that Christ died for the lost. It does NOT say that he died only for SOME of the lost. In that case, NO one could ever be sure that they are one of the saved. The best we could do is hope.
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