Seems that some of us here are posting theology that espouses God had jesus die as atonemnt for ALL peoples. that God desires to save ALL peoples, and that He sends 'general Grace" to ALL, so that ANY can chose to accept/reject Christ by faith...
Classical Arm 101
WHy so afraid/reluctant to accept the label of Arm?
I DO NOT see it as negative, just idenifing one with a system of understanding the Sotierology of the Bible!
Why Are SOME "No name" theology posters "Afraid" Of the Armianist Theology label?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, Jul 19, 2011.
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Anyway, to answer: Arminianism teaches that one may (possibly) lose their salvation. I think very few people on BB accept that position. Also, I believe that many people on BB don't like to be pigeon-holed with labels. -
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preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I don't think anyone is afraid of anything around here.
I deny the Arminian label because it isn't theologically accurate. To say there are only two camps (Calvinist or Arminian) is a myopic position. It only shows a basic understanding of the categories of theological engagement.
Also, I reject the notion that my position is "no name" theology. It isn't. My position is historical Baptist theology. I am a General Baptist (that absolutely isn't Arminian) who affirms salvation by grace through faith. There are a lot of other parts to it but I'll leave it there.
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Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia on General Baptists:
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I don't mind labels, unless it is intentionally pejorative.
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If it is the eternal security issue, you could rightly be Arminian since Arminius himself was not fully settled on that issue one way or the other.
Besides, if you are four fifths Arminian, why don't you just call yourselves Modified Arminians.
I have never understood why Geisler, who is four fifths Arminian and only one fifth Calvinist would call himself a Moderate CALVINIST.
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite SupporterLuke2427 said: ↑But since I have never seen anyone one Baptist board say that there are only two positions, this seems to be strawman.
You are either TOTALLY depraved or you are somewhat depraved.
If you believe you are NOT totally depraved then you are Arminian on that point.
You either believe that God UNCONDITIONALLY elected who would be saved or you believe that God CONDITIONALLY elected who would be saved.
You either believe in limited atonement or UNlimiited atonement.
You wither believe that grace is ultimately irresistable or you beleive it can be resisted to the end.Click to expand...
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humblethinker said: ↑I think part of the resistance is because not all that the label requires would accurately describe our position.Click to expand...
Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.
Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.
My experience is that the free willers won't even admit that they hold to free will by simply acknowledging, 'YES! I AM A SYNERGIST!' -
Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporterkyredneck said: ↑What if it's condensed down to the simplest of terms concerning regeneration?:
Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.
Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.
My experience is that the free willers won't even admit that they hold to free will by simply acknowledging, 'YES! I AM A SYNERGIST!'Click to expand... -
InTheLight said: ↑Why do you ask so many leading questions? Why do your statements beg the question?
Anyway, to answer: Arminianism teaches that one may (possibly) lose their salvation. I think very few people on BB accept that position. Also, I believe that many people on BB don't like to be pigeon-holed with labels.Click to expand...
is it of His free will, applied towards those who have been elected out?
is it of our free will, as He appllied grace to ALL, and ANY can come to Jesus?
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JesusFan said: ↑Seems that some of us here are posting theology that espouses God had jesus die as atonemnt for ALL peoples. that God desires to save ALL peoples, and that He sends 'general Grace" to ALL, so that ANY can chose to accept/reject Christ by faith...
Classical Arm 101
WHy so afraid/reluctant to accept the label of Arm?
I DO NOT see it as negative, just idenifing one with a system of understanding the Sotierology of the Bible!Click to expand... -
JesusFan said: ↑Either its act of His Will, or act of ours?Click to expand...
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite SupporterJesusFan said: ↑Either its act of His Will, or act of ours?Click to expand...
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite SupporterJesusFan said: ↑To me, biggest issue is HOW God grants his grace to save, and to WHOM
is it of His free will, applied towards those who have been elected out?
is it of our free will, as He appllied grace to ALL, and ANY can come to Jesus?
Either its act of His Will, or act of ours?Click to expand... -
kyredneck said: ↑What if it's condensed down to the simplest of terms concerning regeneration?:
Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.
Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.
My experience is that the free willers won't even admit that they hold to free will by simply acknowledging, 'YES! I AM A SYNERGIST!'Click to expand... -
Earth said: ↑Thats called "not in touch with reality" .... how do you disassociate like that? Suggested answer: Denial, Denial, Denial!Click to expand...
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JesusFan said: ↑Seems that some of us here are posting theology that espouses God had jesus die as atonemnt for ALL peoples. that God desires to save ALL peoples, and that He sends 'general Grace" to ALL, so that ANY can chose to accept/reject Christ by faith...
Classical Arm 101
WHy so afraid/reluctant to accept the label of Arm?
I DO NOT see it as negative, just idenifing one with a system of understanding the Sotierology of the Bible!Click to expand...
Let me ask you a question. Why do those who hold to Augustinian original sin not want to be called Roman Catholics?
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