Where is that taught to be part of the gospel? John? Romans? 1 Corinthians? Where? Please quote where the word of God teaches this in the gospel.
Why Calvinism preaches a fraudulent gospel to some of the lost.
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Oct 21, 2021.
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
But you will argue that God does not directly determine what man does so that lets Him of the hook. Not so fast there. Are you saying that the decrees of God are really just suggestions?
What is compatibilism? The theory of compatibilism is that God’s predetermination of all events that happen in history is compatible — consistent, suitable, appropriate, adaptable, cooperative — with so-called “voluntary” choice. In other words, our choices are not coerced, that is, we do not choose against our desires, and yet we never make choices or decisions contrary to “what God determines will always come to pass (Eph_1:11).” So, God decrees what we will choose, and we will desire the object of our so-called choice. {John Hendryx Search | Monergism}
John Hendryx makes the case, the Calvinist God is the actual problem, though He is presented as the solution to the problems that He Himself decreed from eternity past, and brings into reality.
Your Calvinist compatibilism renders God, then, culpable for decreeing all the sin, wickedness, and evil performed among mortals. Compatibilistic Calvinism is determinism, and the theory is a deceptively, deterministic farce: compatibilism is determinism. In a compatibilistic context, God has still decreed whatever occurs in reality; the notion that a person desires to do what he or she does is irrelevant to the fact that, again, in a compatibilistic system, what the person accomplishes (namely, evil) was decreed by God and brought to pass by His irresistible will. Moreover, even the desire of the individual to the enactment of the evil was decreed by God and brought to pass by His irresistible will. In Calvinism, whether compatibilism or hard determinism, God is the problem of evil. -
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"The reconciliation of God and mankind through Jesus Christ." (Oxford English Dictionary)
If the entire human race has been Atoned for, and they are Reconciled with God, then they are all saved, and this is Universal Salvation, which is heresy! -
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Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
How is it that the bible tells us we have to hear the gospel message and believe before we are sealed/saved. Your Calvinism does not fit with scripture. -
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You should note that Peter clearly references the covenant and promise in Acts 2 so I suggest you figure out what covenant is all about. You can start with the old testament and then read what Paul shares. -
Romans 8;34, ". . . Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. . . ."
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Your interpretation of my view of God’s sovereignty is that the “only reason” man has a sin nature is not because they rebelled against God but because God just gave it to to them. Additionally, I’m destroying God’s character.
I don’t think you understand what reformed believers actually believe, so you can only make non-sensical accusations.
Quite frankly, I have no desire to debate nonsense.
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I thank God that in His great mercy, He took it upon Himself not to leave us helpless and enslaved to our sin nature, and is bringing His chosen to salvation.
All glory to God.
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SavedByGrace Well-Known MemberYeshua1 said: ↑What do you say?Click to expand...
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Reformed1689 Well-Known Member37818 said: ↑Ad Hominem arguments are not helpful. Either one holds to a belief or one does not. Either a said belief is true or it is not.
Either Christ died for all (1 Timothy 2:6) or He did not. Either Calvinists teach Christ died only for His elect/chosen or they do not. Either more are offered salvation than Christ died for or Christ did die for them.Click to expand... -
Reformed1689 said: ↑Out of context verses do not help either....Click to expand...
1 Timothy 2:6 in ". . . For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. . . ."
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