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Why Christians Should Refuse To Celebrate Women Fighting

Revmitchell

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......It is unsurprising that, in activities that swim against the flow of sexual difference, people who are so-called “gender non-conforming” in broader respects should predominate. The term “homosexual” masks the fact, but sexuality is a gender difference, entangled with all sorts of other differences in behavior and interests (over 95% of men are gynephiles [sexually attractive to women or femininity] and over 95% of women are androphiles [sexually attracted to men or masculinity).

Androphilic men exhibit many commonalities with women and gynephilic women many commonalities with men (for instance, lesbians are hugely overrepresented in prisons and perform much more like men when it comes to the earnings gap, preferring higher wage, male-dominated jobs). The authors of an important recent review of science on the subject of sexual orientation observed:

Shared interests and personality characteristics beyond a common sexual orientation likely facilitate the formation of such subcultures. Same-sex-attracted individuals often have more in common with each other, even when they come from disparate cultures, than they do with their larger culture, in part because of gender nonconformity (Norton, 1997; Whitam & Mathy, 1986). For example, across cultures, androphilic men tend to be more female-typical and “people-oriented” in their interests compared to gynephilic men; conversely, gynephilic females tend to be more male-typical and “thing-oriented” than androphilic females (Cardoso, 2013; Lippa, 2008; L. Zheng et al., 2011). Not surprisingly, androphilic males in many cultures worldwide share interests pertaining to the house and home, decoration and design, language, travel, helping professions, grooming, and the arts and entertainment (Whitam & Mathy, 1986).

Opening up the UFC to women has put it on a front line of the wider cultural war against gender difference, perhaps most notably seen in the controversy surrounding Fallon Fox, an openly transsexual competitor in its featherweight division. A large number of UFC fighters have also come out as lesbians: Amanda Nunes, Liz Carmouche, Aisling Daly, Jessica Andrade, Raquel Pennington, Tonya Evinger, etc.

https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.or...ns-should-refuse-to-celebrate-women-fighting/
 

HankD

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I understand what you are saying but it is difficult as a parent to not celebrate my daughter's achievement.
She is 3rd in the world for her weight class as a Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) professional.

HankD
 

Benjamin

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Interesting.


So, in short, the argument above is that IF one (a female) fights (does contact sports) they are failing to recognize the “gender difference” and thereby are a temptation to homosexuals at the least? And not only that but some females who are homosexuals become fighters, therefore a female being a strong fighter is evidence that one is tempted to go down that road or is part of that dastardly failure to recognize the given standard of the “gender deference” in the “cultural war”?


I must have missed the part about how this “gender difference” must include a restriction of fighting for females has become the standard to judge by and how this idea of how one should behave, which frankly seems to beg the question, becomes a threat to a Christian’s sexual preference and being on the wrong side of the cultural war and maybe more of a concern why Christians should be a part of letting a few bad apples spoil, or scare them away, from any interest in contact sports for girls?


- Is it fair to say the conclusion of the argument is that Christians should “refuse to celebrate” women’s fighting as it is equal to celebrating homosexuality and joining on the wrong side of the cultural war?


What if I were to suggest that the author was “swimming against the flow of sexual difference” in his argument by my view of his being intimidated by female contact sports?


- Hmm, Just for the sake of argument, what if instead I were to conclude that men who are intimidated by female fighters as being too masculine of a trait were demonstrating their own lack of security, to which I further claimed should be the standard of “gender difference” for males to be manly men?

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- On the same grounds, is it then fair if I were to conclude that insecure men in this area are generally “cultural war” sissies and this is a homosexual trait and therefore Christians should refuse to celebrate these insecurities when it comes to women’s contact sports?

How about if I make a statement like: A large number of of men who are insecure and act like sissies about women fighters have also come out as homsexuals? Does that help support my argument?


What if I were to say men who “share interests and personality characteristics beyond a common sexual orientation” meaning with females who are intimidated and insecure about fighting are “facilitating the formation of such subcultures” where this “gender nonconformity” leads to them having more in common with same-sex-attracted individuals who would unnaturally take an unhealthy interest in them for being Insecure girly-men rather than REAL MEN, at the least?


IOWs if I turn the Op argument around can I not give equal merit to a conclusion of: “WHY CHRISTIANS SHOULD REFUSE TO CELEBRATE BEING INSECURE ABOUT WOMEN FIGHTING” on the same type of question begging in regards to my view of “common sexual orientation” that real men aren’t intimidated by girls fighting???

...Just wondering how choosing sides on this issue became the correct Christian value in the "cultural war". ?
 

Use of Time

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I understand what you are saying but it is difficult as a parent to not celebrate my daughter's achievement.
She is 3rd in the world for her weight class as a Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) professional.

HankD

You have nothing to worry about Hank. Congratulations on your daughters athletic achievement.
 

HankD

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You have nothing to worry about Hank. Congratulations on your daughters athletic achievement.
Thanks UOT - It is difficult for me to watch her fight. I didn't realize how bad it was going to be.
At the first fight I watched I was in tears as I saw my daughter being pounded - My baby!

She won - only a few bruises, but I was a mess. Her mother and I both.

HankD
 

Use of Time

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Thanks UOT - It is difficult for me to watch her fight. I didn't realize how bad it was going to be.
At the first fight I watched I was in tears as I saw my daughter being pounded - My baby!

She won - only a few bruises, but I was a mess.

HankD

It's a tough sport for sure but it's come a long way in terms of safety from where it started.
 

HankD

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It's a tough sport for sure but it's come a long way in terms of safety from where it started.
Right, the refs are very attentive.

Ronda Rousey got pounded just recently by Amanda Nunes and the ref stopped the fight before she was knocked unconscious which would have definitely happened, she was on her way down.

My daughter fought Ronda a few years ago and lost but she has come a long way since then.

I really really would not want to watch if Sarah (my daughter) fought Amanda, she is one tough lady.

HankD
 

Use of Time

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Right, the refs are very attentive.

Ronda Rousey got pounded just recently by Amanda Nunes and the ref stopped the fight before she was knocked unconscious which would have definitely happened, she was on her way down.

My daughter fought Ronda a few years ago and lost but she has come a long way since then.

I really really would not want to watch if Sarah (my daughter) fought Amanda, she is one tough lady.

HankD

I think I've seen the fight with your daughter against Rousey. I'm assuming based off of the D in your name. Ronda has fought three Sarah's.
 

Jerome

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androphiles [se-ually attracted to...masculinity)

New word for the day.

Is that what John Piper is relating (being an 'androphile' man?) in his Gender Gospel booklet What's The Difference?
It is true that there is something se-ually stimulating about a muscular, scantily clad young woman pumping iron in a health club....The image of a masculine musculature may beget arousal in a man
women can arouse men by doing typically masculine things
 

Use of Time

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Right, the refs are very attentive.

Ronda Rousey got pounded just recently by Amanda Nunes and the ref stopped the fight before she was knocked unconscious which would have definitely happened, she was on her way down.

My daughter fought Ronda a few years ago and lost but she has come a long way since then.

I really really would not want to watch if Sarah (my daughter) fought Amanda, she is one tough lady.

HankD

Hank I'm not sure if you are aware of this but your daughter did fight and defeat Amanda Nunes in 2013. Your daughter has beaten the current UFC Women's Bantamweight champion.

In fact she is riding a four fight win streak. Quite an impressive resume.
 
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HankD

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Hank I'm not sure if you are aware of this but your daughter did fight and defeat Amanda Nunes in 2013. Your daughter has beaten the current UFC Women's Bantamweight champion.

In fact she is riding a four fight win streak. Quite an impressive resume.
Ya, my wife was telling me that she had fought Amanda and won.

Sarah will probably go for the belt.

I think I'll not watch the live fight, maybe afterwards. :)

HankD
 

Jkdbuck76

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I've no problem with it. I DO have a problem with Fallon Fox fighting women.

Transgender ism smacks of mental illness and is a sinful consequence of Adam's fall.

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Rolfe

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I've no problem with it. I DO have a problem with Fallon Fox fighting women.

Transgender ism smacks of mental illness and is a sinful consequence of Adam's fall.

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Admittedly, the fighting Sports hold little interest to me (the Martial Arts as defense are a different story). This thread has made me curious about the subject.

I did not know that he-shes were allowed to participate. That is just wrong on many levels.
 

Jkdbuck76

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Of course it is. Feminists ought to be flipping OUT over Fallon Fox and other men who get their business cut off and the go into the ring a day beat real women to a pulp.

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