I don't know it seems pretty clear
Why don't Baptists believe Acts 2:38 literally?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Wittenberger, Jul 23, 2012.
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Jesus NEVER quoted oral traditions as his source of authority because the problem with all ORAL traditions is that they quickly corrupt into false and misleading ideas. Those false and misleading ideas were then written down and the consquence is the cult of catholicism. -
to be historical accounts by the jewish people...
Those were JUST historical facts getting passed on down , NOT doctrinal, and ALL of it is guided over and preserved from any errors/mistake by the Holy Spirit, something RCC cannot calim! -
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FYI for anyone interested: I have decided to only comment on one thread. I am on the "Baptism Debate" thread if you have any interest in listening to my comments."
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Wittenberger said: ↑reformed_baptist said: ↑Wittenberger said: ↑I'm glad you are in agreement with me that the Didache is an authoritative source for confirming one's beliefs on the doctrine of Baptism. Here is a quote from the Didache:
"After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).
In your above comments you state:
So, in this little chapter we have a baptism following a verbal profession, preferrably by immersion
You have sunk your own arguement, my Baptist friend!
Lutherans and all orthodox Christians believe that Christ was probably immersed and that immersion was the primary and preferred method of baptism for the early Christians.
"Preferred" is the key word! Do you think the people living underground in the catacombs of Rome after Nero started hunting them down, were going out to rivers to be immersed? No, the preferred method was too dangerous, so they used another ACCEPTABLE method---pouring.
Lutherans immerse. We believe it is the preferred method, but not the only acceptable method.
Many Baptists refuse to accept any baptism that is not by immersion. This is not scriptural.
Secondly, the reason there was a period of fasting mentioned is that the majority of baptismal candidates were adult converts. Lutherans and Roman Catholics still require that adult converts go through a period of instruction before being baptized.
Give me evidence that anyone in the early centuries condemned infant baptism other than Tertullian, who denounced for other heretical views that have nothing to do with the Baptist position of the issue.Click to expand...
The Catholic Encyclopedia admits the only evidence and support for infant baptism is tradition, and a Franciscan priest and archaeologist supports the fact that the apostolic practice was believer's baptism only.
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Wittenberger said: ↑reformed_baptist said: ↑Wittenberger said: ↑I'm glad you are in agreement with me that the Didache is an authoritative source for confirming one's beliefs on the doctrine of Baptism. Here is a quote from the Didache:
"After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).
In your above comments you state:
So, in this little chapter we have a baptism following a verbal profession, preferrably by immersion
You have sunk your own arguement, my Baptist friend!Click to expand...
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The Biblicist said: ↑Ha! No, I treat the "Father's" as apostate trash wherein some truths can be rarely found if one searches thoroughly. I treat the Scripture as final authority for faith and practice as the inspired Word of God.Click to expand...
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Michael Wrenn said: ↑Wittenberger said: ↑reformed_baptist said: ↑Give me evidence that anyone in the New Testament or the earliest churches practiced or taught infant baptism.
The Catholic Encyclopedia admits the only evidence and support for infant baptism is tradition, and a Franciscan priest and archaeologist supports the fact that the apostolic practice was believer's baptism only.
Infant baptism is a made-up doctrine done out of superstition, fear, ignorance, and error.Click to expand...
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mandym said: ↑So Jesus did not literally mean that the thief on the cross next to Him would be with Him in paradise. After all he had not been baptized.Click to expand...
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Michael Wrenn said: ↑Wittenberger said: ↑reformed_baptist said: ↑Give me evidence that anyone in the New Testament or the earliest churches practiced or taught infant baptism.
The Catholic Encyclopedia admits the only evidence and support for infant baptism is tradition, and a Franciscan priest and archaeologist supports the fact that the apostolic practice was believer's baptism only.
Infant baptism is a made-up doctrine done out of superstition, fear, ignorance, and error.Click to expand...
Take a look at my recent comment on the thread entitled "the Baptism debate". I have listed many early Christians who give testimony to the orthodox/catholic/Lutheran view of baptism. You Baptists can't come up with even one who states that baptism is simply a public profession of faith.
The reason you cannot understand infant baptism, is that you do not understand the purpose of baptism.
No where in the Bible does it state that baptism is "OUR public profession of faith". That is something you Baptists/Anabaptists ASSUME.
You say baptism is a picture of our salvation: the water represents the blood of Christ washing over us to cleanse us of sins. Lutherans, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox all agree with you on this! Baptism does present a picture of what happens to us spiritually! But baptism is an act of God, not an act of man.
You don't know what the purpose of baptism is. Your belief in a "public profession" has no scriptural basis!Click to expand...Click to expand...
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