My past posts answered this question many times.
Why don't the MV's keep their principle, the Oldest the Best?
Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Eliyahu, Apr 9, 2009.
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On 3/26/2006 you posted the following:
Did Keith check W/H's heretical comments in their books as seen below? Overlook....Shhh, shhh, shhh?
Hort denied that Christ is GOD in his book, page 5.
Westcott denied that Christ made known GOD in his book, page 15.
Westcott denied that Heaven is a place in his book, page 15
Hort denied the Second Coming of Christ in his book, page 44-45.
Westcott denied Christ's preexistence in his book, page 13.
And more.... That is enough.
To which Forever Settled In Heaven replied:
there's a long discussion here: http://www.sharperiron.org/showthrea...gart#post34089
n the Westcott Hort Resource Centre is easily available at http://www.westcotthort.com
And rsr replied:
Askjo, are you still repeating slander after you have been told the truth many, many times?
Shame.
(The charges that Westcott denied the deity of Christ and the pre-existence of the Word are easily refuted by anyone who come across his work in a form that hasn't been heavily edited by critics.)
James May has written ably of Westcott's theology, which he considered flawed, but not in the ways KJOists suggest.
http://kjvonly.org/james/index_james.html
Yet you still continue to spread the same lies and deceit after the facts have been pointed out to you.
I doubt that you will ever learn. But I will not stop trying to teach you until you stop spreading untruth. -
Your argument makes about as much sense as thinking that a home built by a Christian is always better than one built by a non-Christian and that somehow the stamp of Christian means perfect. -
You are strongly claiming and confessing that you don't follow the Holy Spirit in your life, which was instructed by Paul the Apostle as we read Galatians 5:16-24
How can you be a pastor without following the Holy Spirit in your life?
You are claiming that all the discernments of the Bible since Moses are TC, which is typical problem with TC obsessed people.
Nobody in the Bible mentioned about TC. Without TC, I do have Bible and can read and interpret the Bible without TC. Has any TC critics claim that he or she present certain thesis according to the guidance by the Holy Spirit?
You've never explained properly the "Only Begotten God"
You are contradictory, when you say You don't ask yourself in your name, while you claim Jesus said ASK Me anything in my name. Don't you realize that?
Jn 14:26
Parakleitos is Masculine, Pneuma is Neutral, but when it is combined with Hagion, it indicates the Person Holy Spirit and therefore Pneuma Hagion is taken over by the Masculine pronoun.
Jn 15:26
Parakleitos is masculine, Pneuma is the neutral, but Pneuma is with Aletheias, which apparently indicate the person Holy Spirit. Therefore all the Holy Spirit is taken over by Masculine.
Now in John 5:7-8, the situation is totally different. The words are pneuma, huidor, haima. None of them are masculine, but all of them are neutral. None of spirit, water, blood is the masculine. You can claim your argument only to the Greek-Illiterates.
In conclusion you are not following the Holy Spirit in discerning the texts and the translations but follow the human theology, and therefore you are often mistaken, and you make wrong judgments about the translations. -
If the Holy Spirit teaches you everything then how did you learn to read and write. Why did you go to school? I guess you could say that the early church was not following the Holy Spirit because about 98% of them could not read and write. -
You see ? Most of the MV defenders do not claim they follow the Holy Spirit in discerning the texts and translations. You are also confessing this point and it is the main reason for the disagreement between 2 groups!
One following the TC god, the other following the Holy Spirit ! -
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Again, it strikes me that you have no idea what you are talking about. And bluster about how I am not following the Spirit won’t change that.
I honestly believe I am following the Spirit. I could be wrong because I am fallible. Here’s what I know: The Spirit did not see fit to include this teaching of yours in the only revelation that He inspired. And that is what I will answer for. -
The problem is that you try to see everything of the Bible thru the eyes of TC, and to claim the Biblical discernment as if it is a part of the Modern TC.
However, do they really practice the Biblical Discernment by following the Holy Spirit? Of course I don't say that they seldom quote the Bible. But Read the following verses:
2 Tim 2:
7Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
2 Tim 2
15. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Tim 3
15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works
So, what the Bible teaches us about the discernment is that we should follow the Holy Spirit, not the human inventions, and you have to distinguish between Biblical Discernment and Textual Criticism -
Not very mature... -
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Doesn't the Holy Spirit in you guide you to all the Truth including Biblical Discernment on the texts? -
What kind of spirit is working behind the modern versions?
The Bible gives us the hints:
Isaiah 7:
8For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people. 9And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.
Head of the modern versions is the Nestle-Alland, and the Head of NA is Westcott-Hort, and the Head of WH is Alexandrian Texts which include B, A, Aleph, p75, p66 etc.
the Head of Alexandrian Texts is Vatican Text B which was preserved and modified by Roman Catholic which performs all types of Idolatry, Goddess worship, Inquisition, persecution of the Bible.
They also use BHS, which was formulated by Gerhardt Kittel who was imprisoned as a War criminal at Nuremberg Tribunal.
By following the modern versions, you are following the Leavens of the RCC which is the centre of all the paganism.
As I told in the other thread, JW cannot stand on KJV.
RCC pray to Mary, which means that they believe Mary as the Omnipresent and Omniscient Being, which means a goddess.
So, RCC believe many gods and goddess, and the Trinity is one of many gods for them.
Minority texts like B, A, Aleph, p75 are nothing but the local texts which contain lots of errors and modifications. -
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Can Jesus come to this Board and teach us ?
Jesus said this to His "so-called Believers"
John 8
30As he spake these words, many believed on him.
31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
How could He say to His " Believers" ?
44Ye are of your father the devil,
What did the " Believers" do?
59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by
Shouldn't Jesus have approved at least that the Jews believed in the God the Father? But why did He say this?
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.44Ye are of your father the devil,
If He comes to this board, He will see thru all the posters and tell them transparently about their salvation.
What about Paul?
2 Cor 13:
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Titus 1
16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate
Can he be allowed here?
What about John ?
1 John 2
19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Can any great Believers who are following those great Apostles and Lord Jesus Christ continue to post and argue in defense of the Bible Truth here? -
Take for instance Mark 16:9-20. Some say it should not be there. You believe it should be. You are practicing textual criticism by saying “That’s authentic.”
The arguments are you making would be laughable it if weren’t so serious. You are blatantly attacking the Word of God, and saying things about it that simply aren’t true. It is theologically and intellecutally bankrupt. And the scary thing is that you don't get it. You don't understand that. -
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I just have not 'advertised' this for the last several mos. considering the Real Estate market has 'nose-dived' recently.
However, I will happily now offer it again, if one wishes to use some of their 'government bailout "stimulus"' and help out the economy. ;)
In fact, I might even offer them a better deal than I would have previously.
Ed
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