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Why James White Is Sick of The Calvinist Club

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Dec 13, 2017.

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    Adam was created by God with the potential to sin, but since the fall, NONE of us save for Jesus had any "free will" remaining...
     
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    God created Adam in a state of being perfect in regards to always obeying the Lord, His nature was bent to please God, but the Fall bent that away to pleasing himself!
     
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    Jesus is the God/Man, perfect God and Human, and would be VERY hard pressed to compare Him to any of us. period!
     
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    Their sinless state became the sinful one, as they spiritual died immediately, and physical death more gradually came upon them!
     
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    He was obviously created with the capacity, and what are to do with that desire of his? How do we explain a perfect being having an evil desire? One way is: Adam was "good", not perfect. I'm not not arguing that, but it's a possibility.
     
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    What does that mean?
     
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    But then the fall hits, and everyone now only has a desire to plant weeds!
     
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    Any examples?
     
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    All sin is like this. That is my point. The fruit appealed to Adam and Eve (it was good for food, pleasing to the eye and desirable to make one wise). And for Eve it was before "the Fall" (before Adam sinned). For both, the temptation appealed to the desire of the flesh.
     
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    Is sin nature the same as sin?
     
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    I am a sinner by birth and then by choice!
     
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    You are a pastor representing Christ, correct?!? How can you make these charges? What Christian would believe that the nature of God is evil? Indeed, how could He be super good yet ...
    yea that would be a Presbyterian
     
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    Nope not Presbyterians, as they would affirm either Infra/Supra, but not Hyper Cal!
     
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    Both wanted to be gods
     
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    Now who affirms hyper Calvinism? I’ve experienced some Orthodox Presbys come close but not totally there.
     
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    But this is exactly what John, Paul, and the author of Hebrews does. Jesus took on the exact same type of nature we have - a human nature, "sinful" or "corruptable flesh".

    Your argument is with those guys (Jesus and the Apostles), not with me. But I suspect claiming the only reason Christ remained obedient is that he didn't share our nature may earn you a blasphemy sticker....or at least a frowney face.
     
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    Yes and no. No if asked the question directly, but yes in many areas of application of the concept. More of what I consider Calvinist word games.
     
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    He gave them permission to if that was their desire.
     
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    Now correct me if I you've heard different. I was under the impression that sin nature is nothing more than our desire to sin. But not a sin in itself. "We are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are sinners." If you are suggesting that our mere existence is somehow a front against God, (I am not saying you believe this) then it is hard justifying the rejection of infant baptism.

    On the other hand, if sin nature does not equal sin and is merely a natural inclination towards sin, babies are born sinless until they are old enough to wilfully and knowingly sin. Meaning that infant baptism is unneccessary and unborn babies go to heaven. At that point is Where they are in the age of accountability and could face damnation.
     
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