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Why James White Is Sick of The Calvinist Club

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Dec 13, 2017.

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  1. thatbrian

    thatbrian Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying that Calvinists secretly believe that God Himself is the author of evil, but we hide that fact in our carefully-worded posts?
     
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    A perfect being would understand that sin is insanity. There would be no desire to usurp one's perfect God, in a perfectly created being.
     
  3. JonC

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    If I understand you correctly your argument is that God created Adam with a less than perfect nature or as a less than perfect man as both Adam and Eve disobeyed God.

    I agree in the sense that God created man to be less than God.
     
  4. Revmitchell

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    If you want to go look them up you go ahead. If you choose not to believe me I wont lose any sleep over it. I have been on this board quite a while. I have seen calvies come and go. You do what you want.
     
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    Again, this is not something easily reckoned with.
     
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    The search function works. I've just checked it.
     
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    "Kind of like God doesn't save you against your will." He changes your will or nature and you receive it willingly."

    So then the question becomes, Did the man choose to have his nature or will changed? If not then God went against their will.
     
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    Ah, I see. God "looked down through the corridors of time" and saw what would happen, saw that Adam would sin, so based on that foreknowledge he created a plan to predestine people to be saved. Got it.
     
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    I am saying "God is sovereign and in control" when convenient. When that logically makes Him responsible for evil, then all of a sudden man and Satan seem to have enough free will to skirt that responsibility.
    Kind of like denying double predestination. God creates a person with no intention of offering salvation to them, but he did not predestine them to Hell. God creates a man and predestined to extend irresistible grace to him and you have no problem say in he was predestined to Heaven. Word games and more word games.
     
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    He knew what they would choose if they had a choice, so he predestined them and gave them no choice. Makes sense to me.
     
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    As usual...you never back up your accusations
     
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    You totally do not get it.
    People become saved because God determined it...before the fall.
     
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    And am I forever grateful that He did.
     
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    Thanks for the explanation of your views.

    What you seem to miss, if you do believe that God is all-knowing, is that your view has the same "problem".
     
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    No, you don't get it.

    ThatBrian continually makes posts about Arminian's view of election being "God looks down the corridors of time and sees that man makes a decision for Christ", as if God's actions were dependent on man's decision. Here we see ThatBrian saying "God looked down the corridors of time and saw what would happen in the Garden, saw what Adam would do" and then his actions were dependent on Adam's decision. The irony is thick.
     
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    I'm still in awe because ThatBrian used the "God looked down the corridors of time" to explain the Fall.
     
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    ITL.....read this,let me know if this is helpful;

    http://www.sgbcsv.org/literature/ProblemOfEvil.pdf
     
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