Cultural marxism--I saw your previous post. I think that all denominations are under attack from people such as the mayor of South Bend. Many denomination want cheap labor and open borders. Many denominations are anti-police. Many denominations are anti-Israel--still complaining about the US embassy in Jerusalem, a very minor thing. Many denominations try to tie jihadi psychopaths into Judaism and Christianity, which unlike Islam are connected to Sarah. Greear says that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, as you know. I don't want to pay for any of that stuff, do you?
Why the SBC is no longer traditional Baptist
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by FreeBaptist, May 18, 2019.
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Personally, I do not see Mohler as espousing a social gospel. I think that this goes back to his refusal to sign the statement on social justice and the gospel. It does, however, seem that he may be walking a tight line (not wanting to appear too conservative).
How you view these SBC leaders depends on where you stand on the issue.
Anyway, I’m not getting into the debate of the thread - only pointing out that it is getting off topic by arguing about the existence of something that is (or should be) common knowledge within the SBC. If he wanted, @Revmitchell could have provided sources, or he could have expected you to know the issues before engaging him in the topic. If I were arguing about the SBC as a whole, I'd look at the trends of the SBC resolutions over the past three years. But I'm not arguing the issue :) . -
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Many things have been said about Moore and Mohler, but what has been said has been accepted as “truth” without any critical thinking, which belies an ignorance about the social gospel and biblical Christianity.
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Both Moore and Mohler have criticized Trump... this is merely retaliation. So my question to the SBC is can you project an air of professionalism to accept differences of opinion or will you eventually split. -
The Making of the 1963 Baptist Faith and Message by A. J. Smith gives some interesting looks behind the scenes of things that went into making the 1963 BF&M. For example, he writes:
Here are some interesting comments from Mercer University's Department of Christianity (yes, that Mercer University; a list of the faculty is on page 131).
Note: Best I have found, the original "criterion" statement out of committee was "The criterion by which the Bible is to be interpreted is the person, work, and teachings of Jesus Christ." The Mercer faculty was objecting to this, not just the shortened statement that left out "person, work, and teachings.". -
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All of this proves my original point.
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Actually, it's some fellow SBC (and other) Calvinists who are behind the 'Social Justice & the Gospel' critique that Mohler & Co. won't support:
statementonsocialjustice.com
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Specifically, Mohler cites the statement on victims and oppressors. He rightly relates that entire discussion to what he calls "Cultural Marxism." And while decrying the industry of victimization, he does rightly say that there are legitimate victims--implying the statement doesn't take legitimate victims into account.
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Many times it has been my experience that those involves in the SBC are often the most ignorant concerning the churches which comprise its membership. I wonder if this is true of other associations as well. -
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These two are a good example of the division. Both are seminary graduates. Both are SBC. Both think the other wrong. -
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They are both seminary grads. Both SBC. Both ministers (at least I think Archangel is). Both think the other wrong.
RevMitchell is right that this is an ongoing issue within the SBC. Archangel is right that Mohler has not come out supporting a social gospel.
Have you ever watched those political talk shows where someone gives their answer but it does not really address the question? That is often how SBC politics work. To be fair, many in leadership would not be there if they were not politicians as well as Christians. (Forget the BF&M - read the resolutions)
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