If you say God can't correct the problem then why do you think we can?
Will a Christian commit certain sins?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Amy.G, Feb 16, 2007.
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Again if you are going to show that what you have been "learning" is Biblical then you are going to have to show Scripture where it says that your sin nature has been done away with in part and part of it that was allowed to continue to exists.
The thought process breaks down on a number of different fronts.
I agree that you are learning. Unfortunately I think you are learning some things that don't have a Biblical foundation. -
God has given us everything that we need. It is our problem not His. It is a lack of trust on our part not a lack of availabilty on His part. We are the ones that have moved away not Him.
His Truth remains His Truth forever whether we want to accept it or not. -
Rom 8:7Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
The carnal mind is sin against God.
Phl 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
There is the mind of Christ which is within you. Do you think with the mind of Christ you could rape a 5 year old?
Romans 7:
22: For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24: O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25: I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
What do you do, pretend the following type of scriptures are not in the Bible.
1Jo 5:18¶We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Heb. 10:
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
You did not answer the questions I asked you.
1. Do you believe in the death penalty?
2. If so, should a child molestor who raped a 5 year old and the killed it receive the death penalty?
3. Has your church ever withdrawn fellowship from anyone and why?
1 Corth.
9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
How come these Christians were cleansed up and don't do those things anymore but you say Christians today can. What has changed since 1 Corth.?
God says plainly they can't go to Heaven if they do those things, how can you say God is wrong and they can go to Heaven? I really would like to know. J. Jump feel free to answer also. -
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I read it to say that God forbids it but according to you Christians do it anyway. -
Yes the Holy Spirit forbids all sin, but that does not mean a Christian is incapable of disobeying. I forbid all forms of disobedience from my son, but that doesn't mean that he is going to obey me 100% of the time.
Just because something is commanded, doesn't mean it is automatically going to be followed.
EDIT - And I didn't say that Christians "will" do it like you suggest, but I said they are "capable" of doing it. Big difference. I don't suggest they do it because there are severe consequences for disobedience, but proving they are unsaved or losing their salvation are not among the consequences. -
As I told you before, I never deliberatly misquote you. Now, if I did I apoligize.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
Please answer a question for me, has your church ever withdrawn fellowship from anyone and if so, why? -
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You did not answer the questions I asked you.
1. Do you believe in the death penalty?
2. If so, should a child molestor who raped a 5 year old and the killed it receive the death penalty?
3. Has your church ever withdrawn fellowship from anyone and why?
1 yes
2 yes
3 No -
J. Jump;
This is not suggestions either.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
1 Corth.
9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Romans, chapter 8
1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Romans :9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Heb. 10:
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. -
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Will a born again christian commit certain sins?
In my honest opinion anyone is capable of any given sin. I believe the holy spirit is powerfull enough to keep us from sinning, but unfortunately we sin. Everytime we gossip, lie, steal, kill, get angry, argue and list of other sins. Jesus died on our behalf whoever believes Jesus is the Son of God who died and rose again for the sins of the world will be saved! Wheather we like it or not Yes that person is saved. I am sure the holy spirit will convict that person of sin, which leads to repentance. If that person does not repent then God will chastise the person till he or she does repent. Brother Bob please stop taking the glory away from Jesus, He fully paid the price for sin, a price we could not pay!!! -
1Jo 5:18¶We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Heb. 10:
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (You say sir, that this is not true), and these are not Bro Bob"s words. Dangereous to say God spoke an untruth. IMO -
There is no Scripture that says a part of the sin nature was completely destroyed, but a portion of it still remains.
You have given this opinionated stuff and unfortunately others are falling off the road of Scripture and onto Bob's road :( -
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not
what part of "sinneth not" don't you understand?
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins
What part of "remaineth no more sacrifice do you not understand"? -
Whosoever is born of God cannot sin...
Doesn't say can sin.
Seems the road you are advocating is one that says one can sin and that's ok, for they are still saved, they are just going to be cast into outer darkness saved individuals. That my friend, is a rocky road.
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