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Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

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  1. church mouse guy

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    No, I totally disagree. It says that Messiah would be cut off. So things are on hold. I am using KJV:

    Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    You can see that transgression is not finished, sin is not ended, everlasting righteousness has not been brought in, etc. Messiah was cut off. There has never been 3 1/2 years of peace and safety in the history of the world and there is nothing like that now.
     
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    My position is generally described as PARTIAL PRETERIST. We are living through the Millennium, aka the Gospel age.

    I look for the return of our LORD Jesus Christ in glory for resurrection & judgment, when he will establish the NH&NE.
     
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    So who was the Antichrist of history?
     
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    Ive heard of Primrose Lane but where is Preterist Road?
     
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    There have been many antichrist though out history anything against Christ is antichrist... But I'm surprised that you don't know who the true Anti-Christ is?... Here's a refresher course!

    Isiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

    14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

    14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

    14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

    14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

    14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

    14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

    14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

    14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.

    SATAN IS THE ANTII-CHRIST!...
    You were expecting some else?... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Oh what services will be interrupted?
     
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    Truly there will not be any kind of sacrifice as was in the OT, nor there will be any red heifer, These prophecies were not given by the Holy Spirit, but spirit of man very familiarized with conjectures, and presumptions, and cunningly devised fables, guessings, suppositions, and so on.
     
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    Why do not you believe in the Spirit of Truth?
     
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    Dear Yeshua,
    the false messiah of the Jews, from the tribe of Dan, one of the 10 tribes of Israel, which rebelled against the house of David, and against JESUS too, they preferred Barabbas, the robber, an evildoer, instead JESUS, yeah, the false messiah, Eliyahu, will be the head of the religious and Universal and satanic Antichrist's Empire for 1.290 days. It is he who will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    The false messiah of the Jews, Eliyahu, born in Jerusalem decades ago, and living in Jerusalem in the current time, he will manifest himself very soon. Terible. Terrible, very terrible..
     
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    Yes, we are living through the Millennium, we are living in the beginning of this first century of the seventh and last Millennium or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day.

    By the way, it's already midnight on God's watch.

    On the clock of men, midnight occurs at the end of a 24-hour day, on the clock of God midnight occurs at the end of a millennium. If we consider the Christian calendar, we can say that on December 31, 2000, God's watch was midnight.

    God bless
     
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    The temple has not yet been occupied by the pseudo messiah, a former Cherub, the son of perdition, the man of sin, claiming to be God, by whom the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate will run for a thousand two hundred and ninety days. -1290 days-

    Do not you know that the daily and eternal sacrifice of JESUS will remain only and only till the midst to the last week, when the false messiah, the ESOTERIC and KABBALISTIC and SPIRITIST messiah of the Jews assumes and rules the Universal Antichrist's Empire? And for 1.290 days?

    Therefore understand what was revealed by Gabriel, and consider the vision such as it was showed to Daniel the prophet concerning the last week as were determined upon the people of Israel and upon the city of Jerusalem.

    You must agree that in fact the last week has not yet started, and for that to happen, first the MAN Beast that rises from the earth have to manifest himself, even him which has two horns like a lamb, actually a FALSE lamb, more precisely a FALSE messiah, the ESOTERIC, and KABBALISTIC and SPIRITIST messiah of the Jews, called Eliyahu, and he has more two surnames, spiritually a former Cherub, the SON of perdition, the MAN of sin (2Thes.2: v.1a12). Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders(Revelation 13:v.13-14), and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    THE COURT WHICH IS WITHOUT THE TEMPLE WILL BE GIVEN TO THE GENTILES - THE HOLY CITY WILL BE TRODDEN BY THE GENTILES

    Rev.11:1-2-...Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2-But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. -1.260 days -

    What will be the scenarios in Jerusalem when the outer COURT of the temple be trodden by the Gentiles?

    THIS IS THE FIRST SCENARIO TO BE SEEN IN JERUSALEM

    FIRSTLY the Beast like a lamb, a false lamb, a pseudo messiah, AN IMPOSTER, will manifest himself in the holy city-Rev.13:v.11-18, and all Israel, all the Jews in whole earth or around the world will acclaim him and they will celebrate this event greatly. In fact, the Jews are waiting their messiah, mainly by the followers of the esoteric and cabbalistic and spiritist Judaism.

    What will be then the scenarios in Jerusalem in this time that is approaching?
    The supposed messiah, called Eliyahu, born in Jerusalem, and living in the holy city by decades (this detail is very important to be known of everyone here of course), this MAN as soon as he manifests himself as a messiah, he will make great signs and wonders, even making fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, deceiving them that dwell on the earth by the miracles which he has power to do, after all he is an esoteric, kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah.

    THEN A SECOND SCENARIO WILL BE SEEN IN JERUSALEM

    All kind of comunications, the midea in general, will comment the signs and lying wonders of the esoteric messiah, and they will show his miracles of lie to the whole world, mainly the chanels of television. In the other hand, Ministries and Ministers of all denominations and all evangelical sects and christian movements called gospel, and all religious leaders of all religious system that exist, they will preach at the four corners of the earth Christ is in Jerusalem. Then the whole world will hear by/through the leaders of the evangelical Churches and non evengelic too, that he is the Christ or the messiah.

    AFTER THAT, A THIRD SCENARIO WILL TAKE PLACE IN JERUSALEM

    The third scenario in Jerusalem, the holy city, will be of human upheaval, the environment in the holy city will be of extreme convulsion, multitudes of people and kindreds and tongues and nations will travel to Jerusalem, a strong touristic movements from all nations, mainly religious tourism from all religions and evangelical churches of all denominations and sects will travel to Jerusalem, multitudes will be circling in holy city. Even the Pope will meet the false messiah in the midst of a great human mass of religious people, a strong religious movements towards Jerusalem.

    The religious environment in Jerusalem-Israel-will be favorable greatly to the two Beasts to establish a religious and satanic Universal Empire, the Antichrist's Empire.

    In this first moment of the third scenario, there are important things to be focused:

    - One of the most important things to be focused is that the religious structures of Beast of sea, in this first moment, WORKS ONLY WITH HIS 7 HEADS, yeah, only and only with his 7 heads. In this first moment, or even now or today, THE (10)TEN HORNS ARE NOT LINKED YET TO THE BEAST OF SEA, this will occur when the devilish Universal Antichrist's Empire be established between both Beasts, i.e. between the Beast of sea with his 7 heads only in this first moment, and the Beast like a lamb, a false lamb, who speaks as a Dragon, respectively, the Pope and the woman which rides upon him, the RCC, and the esoteric and kabbalistic messiah of the Jews that will rise up out of the earth, in fact he will RISE UP OUT FROM THE ONE OF THE 10 TRIBES OF ISRAEL, THE TRIBE OF DAN.

    KEEP SO WELL THIS IMPORTANT DETAIL: Only and only when be established the Antichrist's Empire between BOTH BEASTS, then the 10 tribes of Israel that rebelled against the house of David(1Kings 12:v.19) and against JESUS, the TRUE MESSIAH,yeah, then the 10 tribes of Israel WILL BE LINKED AND REPRESENTED IN THE FIRST PERIOD OF ANTICHRIST's EMPIRE ruled by the Beast of sea- the Pope Paulus VII- per one hour or 42 months-Rev.13:v.5-through the leadership of the false messiah, who will give his Power, and his Seat,and great Authority to the Beast of sea-the Pope-Rev.13:v.2.

    In fact these will be the scenarios in Jerusalem during 42 months as soon as manifests the false messiah in Israel, enthroned in Jerusalem, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt.Thus will fulfil literally what is written in Revelation chapters 11 and 13.

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    continuation of post above

    A FOURTH AND TERRIBLE SCENARIO TAKE PLACE, A SCENARIO OF WAR

    Rev.11:v.2 - the COURT which is without the temple leave out...it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months - 1.260 days.
    See, in paralel with the three scenarios above, the true Christians, the Church of the LORD, will preach against these satanic movements, the environment on the earth will be a spiritual and religious War and ONE of the SEVEN HEADS of the Beast of sea -the Papacy and the woman which rides upon him-the RCC, the Great Whore, will be wounded to death.Revelation 13:v.3

    The pseudo messiah will make a deal with the Pope to build a religious and an Universal Empire, and he will give to the Pope his Power, and his Throne and great Authority(Revelation 13:v.2), then the deadly wound of the Beats-the Papacy- will be healed and all the World will be wondered after the Pope, called or nicknamed Paulus VII, seated on the throne of the false messiah in the holy city.

    And the peoples of the earth included the Jewish people guided by the pseudo messiah, called Eliyahu, they will worship the pseudo messiah which gave power unto the Beast of sea-the Pope-, and also they will worship the Pope, saying, Who is like unto the Pope? who is able to MAKE WAR with him? Then, face to the environment extremely favorable, the pseudo messiah will make a deal with the Pope to build an Universal Empire, a religious Empire, atually an anti-JESUS Empire or AntiChrist's Empire, and according Scriptures who will be the FIRST to rule this satanic Empire for 42 months will be the Pope, as it is prophesied in Revelation 13:v.5. (the Pope in that occasion will be Paulus VII)

    Then will be given unto the Pope a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and also will be given power unto him to continue with his blasphemy for forty and two months (Rev.13:v.5) and he will open his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name-JESUS-, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heavenly places in Christ.(Ephesians 1:v.3)

    And will be given unto the Pope Paulus VII to make WAR with the saints, and to overcome them: and power will be given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations, all that dwell upon the earth will worship him, those whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world.

    Rev. 13:v.9-10 say: 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the PATIENCE AND THE FAITH OF THE SAINTS.

    THE WORST OF ALL WILL COME AFTER THE END OF THE FIRST PERIOD OF 1260 DAYS OF THE ANTICHRIST'S EMPIRE

    Yeah, the worst of all, as soon as ends the FIRST period of 42 months of the Antichrist's Empire (Rev.13:v.5), ruled by the Pope Paulus VII, yeah, the worst will happen when the satanic and RUTHLESS false messiah assumes the government of the religious Empire. He has great Authority as a messiah, he is the LITTLE HORN who will rule the Antichrist's Empire for 1.290 days (Dan.12:v.11), then will be established the Abomination of Desolation, the end of the Dispensation of Grace is arrived, yeah, these happenings will be the worst of all precedent things as they are described in Revelation 13:v.1-18.

    Why will the LITTLE HORN be the eighth in this scenario? This is very hard to understand.The RUTHLESS false messiah will assume the Throne of the Universal Antichrist's Empire as the most powerful MAN of the earth (today is Mr.Trump, who is working for the false messiah that will manifest yet, the Eliyahu plus two surnames),THUS he will be absolute not only in the religious field, but also in the economic field, no man might buy or sell, save he that have the mark, or the name of him, or the number of his name.

    Even the 10 rebelled tribes of Israel will be discarded and will lose their representative dominion ue 42 months in the religious Empire, because the false messiah will be absolute in both the religious and economic power of the Antichrist's Empire. He will sit as God in his demonic Throne, and will asume the government of the nation of Israel and also of the Vatican City, and the Pope Paulus VII - and all Papacy - and the entire structure of the Roman Apostolic Catholic Church will be under the feet of the false messiah being ruled by him, so he will be over the seven heads and will rule all structures of the Catholicism guided by Paulus VII, as being him of the seven and being him also the eighth.

    Among the evangelical people of all denominations will be divisions, they will be hated of all nations for JESUS name's sake, among the believers many will be offended and will betray one another, and will hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise in the churches and will deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. the day of JESUS's return. Dan; 12:v.12

    THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND. THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND

    Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
     
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    The verse says "...and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease..." The sacrifices would refer to the Jewish spilling of animal blood in payment of sins and the oblation means taking up an offering. Those are the services that will be interrupted--animal sacrifice and taking up a collection.

    Preterism has a problem because when the Romans destroyed Israel and took the Jews into slavery and dispersed them to Rome and from there all over the world, there is no return of Jesus at that time or at any other time. Furthermore, the Romans did not ceremonially desecrate the altar but just looted the temple and set it afire and then removed the rubble. There was not 3 1/2 years of peace and safety for the Israelis or anyone else in Roman times and there was no effort by the Romans, a nazi empire, to make everyone take the mark of the beast. The Roman emperors have been forgotten by name and most of them were just military generals who went sent on missions throughout the empire seemed to lose influence back home at Rome until they returned with an army.
     
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    By the way, when you use colors like this, it makes you look like a crazy person. It also makes reading your text hard which increases the chance that no one will actually read it.
     
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    Dear Marty, I must right only and only the things which will really happen in fulfilment of the Word of God, the Word is God, I do not work with conjectures, or speculations, or suppositions, as does the spirit of men.

    Although English is not my native language, take a time for an accurate reading of the post posted above with the help of the Holy Spirit.

    God bless
     
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    Oh, please, you can do nothing against Truth, but for the Truth (2Cor.13:v.8). GOD is Truth, the Word is GOD, yeah, the Word is GOD, understand? This explains your lack of arguments against the Holy Spirit.

    Have you never read or learned that the foolishness of GOD is wiser than men; and the weakness of GOD is stronger than men. GOD has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty. And base things of the world, and things which are despised, has God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence.

    I work with the Word of God, He has not beginning, nor ending, He is from everlasting to everlasting. JESUS is the beginning and the ending, sais the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
     
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    One lane over form driving unto heresy lane!
     
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    Paul states also that the man of Sin, Antichrist, shall be destroyed by Jesus at His second coming, so there has been no final Antichrist and for sure no second coming yet! pretierist version is fairy tale and fable!
     
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    I thought we were reading the rainbow study bible here!
     
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    Well, Scripture is the perfect Word of God so if Scripture says that thee well be money donated and sacrifices performed, then Scripture is accurate because God's Word Is perfect.
     
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