1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Hobie, Feb 8, 2020.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Oseas3

    Oseas3 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2019
    Messages:
    602
    Likes Received:
    1
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in Judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

    42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the Judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

    43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

    44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

    45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
     
  2. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    22,050
    Likes Received:
    1,853
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Thank you.
     
  3. Covenanter

    Covenanter Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2017
    Messages:
    2,162
    Likes Received:
    508
    Faith:
    Baptist
    What today's Jews are doing in Palestine has little or nothing to do with Bible prophecy. The Old Covenant ended at Calvary, & now the New Covenant is in effect. If they do build a temple, & renew sacrificial worship, it will be in direct defiance against their Messiah, the LORD Jesus Christ.

    Your references include Dan. 9 & 2 Thes. 2. Looking at the translations, it seems that interpretation has influenced them.
    27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. (NIV)
    Obviously the saving work of Jesus, whose ministry - the 70th week - began with his baptism & anointing. He ministered for half of 7 years during which period he confirmed the Old Covenant by his life & teaching His crucifixion ended sacrifice & offering.

    That New Covenant teaching was confirmed after his Ascension & particularly after Pentecost by the preaching of the Apostles. That 7 years ended with the stoning of Stephen when the Jewish authorities were declared "uncircumcised."
    7:51 “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!

    All that remained according to Gabriel was destruction -
    26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
    Two "hes" are involved - the "Anointed One" & the "Ruler." The LORD Jesus Christ and the Roman general.

    Jesus glorious saving was was completed at Calvary & is continued by the Gospel. Note that the Church from its beginning comprised many thousands of Jewish believers. The Jews, Israel, as a people did not reject their Messiah, nor did God forget his Covenant promises. He FULFILLED THEM by his Messiah, his Son, the LORD Jesus Christ.

    All true believers now comprise God's people Israel. Those who reject the Gospel yet claim God's promises to Abraham are NOT God's Israel, nor his children.
     
  4. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    12,193
    Likes Received:
    456
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Well, the Jews are gonna build another temple in Jerusalem when the time is right. They have the materials gathered, the instruments made, & are breeding animals such as red heifers to be used in temple rites. And let us remember that Judaism still follows the Old Covenant. (I'm not saying it's RIGHT; i'm just saying what they do.)

    This temple will be where the antichrist will commit the "abomination of desolation", that is, he will set up his statue in that temple & proclaim himself to be God. That's the AOD ! (Of course, that would be evil wherever it's done, but Scripture says it'll be done in the temple, & it was not done in the old temples. The Romans merely destroyed the temple, against Titus' wishes.)

    And the people Jewish by birth are still Jews & Israelis no matter what their religion. "Replacement Theology" is false.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  5. Shoostie

    Shoostie Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Messages:
    668
    Likes Received:
    66
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Orthodox Jews think it's the Messiah's job to rebuilt the Temple. Hobie, you want to rebuilt the Temple, not Jews. Futurist "Christians" want to provide a home for the Antichrist.
     
  6. tyndale1946

    tyndale1946 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    8,875
    Likes Received:
    1,467
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Yada, yada, yada... I heard this argument since I first joined and it is never ending... Jesus Christ IS the temple... He IS reigning NOW in the hearts of his children... Sitting on the right hand of God making intercession for us... If he is not reigning NOW!... What's he been doing on his heavenly throne, on the right hand of God his Father for almost 2,000 years ?... Gathering dust?... Brother Glen:)
     
    #86 tyndale1946, Mar 14, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2020
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    22,050
    Likes Received:
    1,853
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Pope Francis is the Anti-Christ--did you see him slap the woman who grabbed him?
     
  8. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    12,193
    Likes Received:
    456
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Your argument isn't with me - it's with SCRIPTURE. Paul wrote that the man of sin will sit in the TEMPLE.

    2Thess.2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    This event has not yet occurred, and, since the old temples in J are all gone, a new one will be rebuilt so prophecy can be fulfilled.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. Covenanter

    Covenanter Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2017
    Messages:
    2,162
    Likes Received:
    508
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You haven't attempted to argue the Scriptures I quoted. As for
    What did John say?
    Mat. 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham."
    Jesus also -
    John 8:
    39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.

    If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.

    “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

    42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
    How are today's Jews different in attitude to those Jews who rejected their Messiah when he was walking among them?

    Note that 2 Thes. 2 follows 2 Thes. 1, and 1 Thes. In 2T1 Jesus explains what will happen when Jesus returns for vindication of his people & punishment of the wicked, persecutors.
    BUT
    Something must happen first.
    1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
    That reads like extreme Preterism! According to 1T4:13 some were thinking those who had died were missing the Kingdom. And Paul there writes about "we" as if those then living would see the kingdom. So he corrects any wrong impression by writing again 2T.

    The great unfulfilled prophecy of Jesus before his final coming for resurrection & judgment was the destruction of Jerusalem & the temple. (Mat. 24 et al) The temple was still standing & sacrifices were continuing. Worse still wicked & rebellious leaders were in charge. Christians were decidedly unwelcome in Jerusalem. They were exalting themselves above the Son of God. They threw James from the temple pinnacle. Antichrists the lot of them. They are not named in Scripture - Scripture (including Revelation was written before the destruction.

    Paul had explained to the Thessalonians -
    5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
    - antichrist & co are already alive & at work in the first Century but were restrained by something or someone they knew about.

    I think that restraining force was the Christians still in Jerusalem until the seige, when the Christians warned by Jesus in his Olivet prophecy fled the city.
    Mat. 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

    Rev. 18:
    4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
     ‘Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins,
    so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
    5 for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes.
    Jesus carefully explained that the events would occur in the lifetime of those who rejected him -
    32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    The question remains, is the "coming" Jesus speaks of a coming to judge those who rejected him in AD 70, described in symbolic language as we (partial) Preterists maintain, or a yet future coming as part of the complex Futurist prophetic teaching.

    Jesus carefully distinguishes the two comings -
    33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

    36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
    and in the rest of the chapter instructs us in godly living as we live after that first century coming. Mat. 24:37-51
     
  10. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    22,050
    Likes Received:
    1,853
    Faith:
    Baptist
    We know that the Great Tribulation will be seven years long with three years of peace and safety. There has never been three years of peace and safety in the history of the world. And we know that people in Israel want to build the Third Temple. So it is impossible that Jesus has already returned to earth.
     
  11. Covenanter

    Covenanter Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2017
    Messages:
    2,162
    Likes Received:
    508
    Faith:
    Baptist
    How do you know? Please give Scripture references.
     
  12. Shoostie

    Shoostie Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Messages:
    668
    Likes Received:
    66
    Faith:
    Baptist
    YOU want a temple built for the Antichrist. Jews do not care about building a temple.
     
  13. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    22,050
    Likes Received:
    1,853
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I guess that that is your opinion but everyone knows that various groups in Israel are preparing various items for a Third Temple.
     
  14. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    22,050
    Likes Received:
    1,853
    Faith:
    Baptist
    References for what? When has there ever been 3 1/2 years of peace and safety in the history of the world?
     
  15. Shoostie

    Shoostie Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Messages:
    668
    Likes Received:
    66
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No, it's not my opinion. You should read what Jews write about the Temple to each other (Maimonides), not what Jews running a tourist trap tell gullible Futurist rubes (The Temple Institute). You should acquaint yourself with Jewish doctrine, not the ignorance that Futurists share with each other snip. Most Jews don't believe any history before King David in the Bible. Orthodox Jews believe rebuilding the temple is the job of Messiah after he returns.
     
    #95 Shoostie, Mar 14, 2020
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 15, 2020
  16. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    22,050
    Likes Received:
    1,853
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So what? Some Jews want a new Temple in order to resume animal sacrifice. Some Jews are preparing. It has nothing to do with tourism as you charge. Note how important the Western Wall is.
     
    #96 church mouse guy, Mar 14, 2020
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 14, 2020
  17. Covenanter

    Covenanter Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2017
    Messages:
    2,162
    Likes Received:
    508
    Faith:
    Baptist
    How do you know? Please give Scripture references.
    "We know that the Great Tribulation will be seven years long with three years of peace and safety."

    That's odd - 7 years of tribulation includes "three years of peace and safety." Doesn't sound like 7 years of tribulation. Only 3 1/2 or 4 years of tribulation.

    Which Scriptures teach you what you assert?

    What "people in Israel" want to do has nothing to do with Bible prophecy. See my posts #83 & #89.
     
  18. Shoostie

    Shoostie Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Messages:
    668
    Likes Received:
    66
    Faith:
    Baptist
    What Jews want a new Temple in order to resume animal sacrifice? Please direct me to one of their websites (use some common sense, a Jewish website for Jews showing doctrine, not a pseudo-Jewish website for Christian rubes).

    Sure, the Western wall is important to Jews. That doesn't mean they want to build a temple. Christians wear crosses, that doesn't mean they want to crucify someone.
     
  19. Shoostie

    Shoostie Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Messages:
    668
    Likes Received:
    66
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Some people have been so steeped in false eschatology garbage that they no longer understand what English words mean. Phrases like "the tribulation", "abomination of desolation", and "this generation" become esoteric titles to them. They lose the ability to understand that tribulation is the opposite of peace. They lose the absolute to understand that "desolation" just means desolate. Or that "this" means that which is present. So, they end up using these phrases divorced from their real meaning, and rather married to their muddy understanding of the nonsense of what that televangelist was teaching. So, you get, "We know that the Great Tribulation will be seven years long with three years of peace and safety."
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    22,050
    Likes Received:
    1,853
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I'll do even better. I will take you to the prophecy. By the way, dispensationalism has nothing to do with this and the Blessed Hope has always meant that Jesus was to return for HIs bride to rescue her from the Anti-Christ at the end of the seven years.

    Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    So we now know from the Elephantine papyri exactly when the decree went out to rebuild the wall around Jerusalem.

    (Ezra 7:12 (KJV) Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect [peace], and at such a time. ff)

    So in 490 years there was to be an end to sins and transgression and so forth and to bring in everlasting righteousness. This has not been done. Messiah was cut off. And the time frame went on hold.

    Messiah was to arrive in 69 weeks. He did!

    But the last week has not happened yet. The first 3 1/2 years are supposed to be peace and safety but there has never been 3 1/2 years on earth without war. So we are still waiting for the man of sin to cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease so that means that there has to be a third temple. Period.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...