1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Again this is speaking of the kingdom of the heavens and not eternity. These 10 virgins all took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.
Verse one alone should be enough to tell us that only saved people are in view, because all 10 went to meet the bridegroom.
Unsaved people are not going to meet the Bridegroom. Unsaved people could care less that the Bridegroom is coming, much less want to meet Him.
But all 10 of these virgins were obviously interested in the bridgrooms coming.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. [SIZE=-1]F48[/SIZE]
Again no one has answered the question of how a lamp goes out without having oil. If they didn't have any oil in the first place they wouldn't have said our lamps are gone out they would have said give us some oil so we can light our lamp in the first place.
They said our light has gone out we need more oil to light it again.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Here we are given the same picture of buying for ourselves that is seen in Revelation 3 in the letter to Laodicia. And again that was only speaking to believers, just as this parable is only addressing believers.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
And here we get the same picture of those that will cry Lord, Lord, which are saved people as well that weren't about the Father's will. And it seems to correlate that these foolish virgins weren't about the Father's will either and will be treated the same way.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Again unsaved people are not going to be watching for the Son of man, becuase they have no interest in seeing Him. All 10 of the virigins had a desire to see the bridegroom.
It really is impossible to have these five foolish virigins as unsaved, unless you just want to totally ignore what the passage says.
Wise and Foolish Virgins
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by J. Jump, Jul 9, 2006.
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umm. so what are you asking? what are you getting at here J.Jump?
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This was basically a continuation from a thread that was closed where we had started talking about the five wise and five foolish virgins.
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Notice Matt 24:13 "But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved". He then gives several senerios that demonstrate how some will be prepared (saved) and some will not. One of those senerios is the 10 virgins.
"the one who endures to the end" are all those who are saved. The ones who do not, are those who are not saved; even despite proclaimations of knowing Jesus. What matters in the end is whether Jesus knows them.
To see that the entire discourse (beginning at least with Matt 24:1) is concerning salvation and damnation; those that are lost and those that are saved; you must only read the final verse of the discourse (25:46) "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life".
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The foolish virgins were lying about their lamps going out. The fact is, they did not even take oil to burn. -
Judgment day is exactly the the context. And unsaved and saved are never seen together at the same judgment. Right living is exactly the context of the parable. And the only ones that are even capable of living right is saved people.
I don't know how it can be made any more plain. Works are invovled in these parables and therefore eternal salvation can not be the context. It's that plain and that simple. If it is then there are serious contradictions in the Bible. -
They just said we didn't bring enough for you and us both. No indication of lying.
Let me ask you this question. What is the danger is saying that not all Christians are going to be a part of the bride? If you are about the Father's business as you are supposed to be, then what danger is it to warn other people that if they aren't about the Father's business they are not going to be a part of the bride?
If you are doing what the Lord has called you to do then there is nothing for you to worry about. But what you are in fact saying is that I can become a Christian and then I can go off and live a life of a heathen and all will be well because the entire church becomes the bride and if I'm saved then I get to rule and reign and then I get to go to heaven and all is hunky dory.
See that's why Christendom is in the mesh that it is in today is becuase there is absolutely no reason for people to pay the price of discipleship becuase they are being taught that they get to go to heaven and they get to rule and reign and they get to become the bride despite the manner in which they live.
Unfortunately for those that are being taught that, they are being taught a lie straight from the depths of hell and Satan is sitting back and having hey day, because the church is actually doing his business instead of the father's business.
People better wake up and smell the smoke. It's not all going to be peaches and creme for the disobedient, unfaithful Christian as so many today suppose! -
I believe the wedding party is symbolic of the world and not just the Church. If this was only the Church, why would some not be ready and not get in?
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Revelation 2-3 talks about overcomers. There are some that overcome the flesh, the world and Satan, and then there are others that are overcome.
Unfaithful, wicked, non-overcomers will not wed themselves to Christ. That just doesn't even make sense.
If those servants couldn't even be trusted to do the Father's business in the here and now, why can they all of a sudden be trusted to do Christ's bidding in the 1,000-year kingdom? -
On the contrary, JJump...
The Bible says the foolish virgins 'took no oil with them.' That is the exact words from the Bible.
They had to be lying about their lamps going out, for 'they took no oil with them.
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You are reading into Scripture that which is not there. They are saved. The parables that come right after this talk about the same issue and those servants are saved as well. -
I believe that Standing Firm is doing at least 2 things correctly.
He reading a parable as A PARABLE.
And two, he is not reading into it what he wants the text to say.
A parable is not a long list of data to be understood - like and email. A parable is a story that has a moral to it (sometimes more than one moral). It is not the data that we look at in a parable, but the intent that the author expected the listener (& for us the reader) to understand.
Yet, even to the data, the author was faithful to the intent - the foolish did not take the oil as the wise did - because the wise took the oil in the lamp.
Further the text says that the foolish DID NOT TAKE OIL. In the Greek, KJV, and NKJV.
(NKJV) Matthew 25:3 3 "Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
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The funny thing about it is that I was having a similar debate with someone here locally, and he saw that the foolish virgins had oil, but he also failed to distinguish between the Kingdom and spiritual salvation. Therefore, his spin is that the 5 foolish virgins lost their salvation. He saw the obvious that they were saved, then believed they lost it.
No one has yet to answer how something is going out (or has gone out) without being lit in the first place.
This is what Scriptures say. Now, you can insert your own text and add to the written word and say, "They were lying about them being lit", but Scriptures say they were going out. Can you extinguish a campfire without someone making a campfire? Can a firefighter put out a burning building without it being on fire?
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The text does not say they didn't have oil in their lamps. It said they didn't take oil in direct comparison to the wise that took extra oil in their spare container.
It is reading into the text that which is not their to say that these virgins didn't have any oil at all.
Plus no one has answered my quesiton as to how an unsaved virgin would even be interested in the bridegroom coming? Why would they have even made the journey?
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I think the foolish virgins are not saved, because Jesus says to them, "I do not know you." This is similar to what he says in Matt. 7, "Depart from me, I never knew you" to those claiming to have healed and cast out devils in his name.
Once again, Jesus would never say to a believer, indwelt, regenerated, and sealed by the Holy Spirit; purchased by His blood, and loved by God, that he never knew that person. -
LeBuick I think some probably would even look at your question well they probably won't be raptured and will have to go through the tribulation, but again when we compare Scripture with Scripture the entire church is raptured both faithful and unfaithful alike because there is only one judgment seat of Christ for the church dispensation.
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Where does the passage say that Jesus will say this to saved people??
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