Women have a very important role in the church, just not those particular roles. Our church could not function without the work, support, and faithfulness of the women in our church. However, God has made it very clear in His word that some roles are for men, and some roles are for women.
I was in the WoF cult for many years when I was a new Christian and even then, I thought it was very odd that if a man was a pastor, then his wife must also be considered a pastor(ess).
Show me a church with a woman pastor and I'll show you a church that has serious doctrinal and practical problems in other areas, as well.
Women in the pastorate and pulpit...
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Onlybygrace, May 11, 2009.
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Hmm...Let's contrast and compare, shall we?
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One of the reasons there are so many women in offices that some think they should not be is because the men have not been the spiritual leaders in their home or church. In some places, either a woman does the ministry or it does not get done. That is a sad example we men are setting. It seems to me there are tons of women who go to church, take the kids, and the husband never darkens the door. There is obviously no male spiritual leadership in a home such as that.
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This is a good statement. But this should be viewed as the exception not the rule. The rule is male headship in home and church. What should be happening is accountability instead of apathy. -
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What to do with the passages where Paul instructs women how to prophesy - 1 Corinthians 11:4-5?
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The word prophesy refers to both foretelling and forthtelling.
IN THE LATTER CASE THE REVELATION OF TRUTH AND THE SUBSEQUENT TEACHING AND PREACHING THEREOF. -
Well this has been a fun topic to read and I thought I would jump in and cause a stir.
Warning! Danger! I will be called a liberal and I am ok with that.
This has been an issue that has been fought over for a long time. The unfortunate reality is the fact it is mainly a hermeneutical problem. Some interpret prophesying differently than preaching. I do not, in the NT prophesying involves preaching the word of God. There are four examples of women prophesying Miriam (Ex 15:20), Deborah (Judge 4:4), Huldah (2Kings 22:14), and Anna (Lk 2:36)
Jesus in his earthly ministry never limited women to a subordinate role in his kingdom work. The New Testament mentions several women whose roles could be interpreted as pastoral. They are Priscilla, Junia, Phoebe, Chloe, Lydia, Nymha, Euodia, and Syntyche. They were called co-workers in ministry. (emphasis co-workers) Jesus also called women to be the first proclaimers of his resurrection (Mt 28:5-8, Mk 16:1-8, Lk 24:1-10, Jn 20:11-18)
Ok now Paul. 1 Cor 14:34-35 can have different contextual interpretations. There are several possibilities. I will admit this can certainly rule out women in leadership to some, but not always. Consider the context Paul speaks of, Women were not allowed to participate in Jewish worship, making them lack knowledge about corporate worship. The context also mentions speaking in tongues. This new found freedom could have caused problems (14:33). Paul could be instructing them not to speak openly and interrup worship. W.A. Criswell claims Paul was actually cautioning womren not to speak in tongies in worship. (see citation) Paul cautions all Christians to be careful how they exercise their new found freedoms in Christ becaus the world may not understand the nature of some of their actions (6:12, 10:23, 32)
Citation: W.A. Criswell The Baptism, Filling and Gifts of the Holy Spirit Grand Rapids, Zondervan 1973
The issue with Husband of one wife, most scholars and I can get citations if you would like do not refer this as a restricting element concerning niether divorce, or sex, but restricting in a polygamy, a problem in that time. There are several passages that I could also mention but my post is long enough.
I would like to mention several modern day examples: Ann Graham Lotz, Barbara Brown Taylor, Beth Moore, and then there are the famous missionaries such as Lottie Moon, Annie Armstrong, and yes the great Catholic Mother Teresa.
This is a big fight over different interpretations of scripture. I interpret scripture to give women and men the ability to pastor and preach God's word. In the churches I serve they love it and we are flourishing. There are some churches that do not see it this way and limit the role, and they flourish as well. The good news is being Baptist allows each church to be different and make its own leadership decisions.
I just have one closing argument.
Who has ever went to Hell because a woman was behind a pulpit? This is much ado about nothing. -
It is abuse of women to allow them to disobey God by pastoring or having authority over men in the church. It is strange that those who claim to be champions of women's rights are the most guilty of this abuse. Who would encourage a woman to disobey God and incur the wrath of God for it? -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I have yet to see a legitimate and reasonable argument for women in the pastorate. And the Pastorate is about more than just the pulpit.
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You, yourself, can't even answer this question. Nobody can. You're implying that the answer is no, but I can ask the same question about a man behind a pulpit, and that question is unanswerable as well. -
I have yet to learn how to multi-quote so my statements are in bold. This is not to infer any anger or passion, just separation from Pastor Larry's quotes. -
If we women would just follow Titus 2 and Proverbs 31 we'd be too busy, anyway, to become pastors! -
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Pastor Larry...
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Once again bolds are just separation, not anything else.
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