Please post the source of that translation and the name of a Calvinist who said it. If you are unable to source the quote, retract it as being untrue.
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Would this be a fair statement?
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I don't need to post the source of that translation. It is a result of my conversations with Calvinists over the years. I feel Calvinists do not handle that passage honestly and what posted is what Calvinists would translate that passage if they were honest. Calvinists do not believe God loves the world only the elect.
Of course when Calvinists, including yourself, present a caricature of the opposing view to your own you do not have a problem with it. This is how I see Calvinism. You don't like it. Tuff. You need to deal with your won inconsistency on this.
Actually, Calvinists believe that God loves even those not saved, but that he has a peculiar love towards those who are His elect, as have a relationship with them!
Yes, you do. Or admit you made it up.
Who? Name them.
Name calling.
The hate would be defined as the Bible does, as God "hated" esau, in the sense did not Choose Him to be the heir and part of the Covenant He made with Israel.
That is not what is says about Essau but I digress. Anyway what I wrote about the Calvinist view of love in John 3:16 stands true.
I do think that all see this in same way though!
Love and hate refers to those who are in and not in the Covenant relationship with God!
Which by the way is no different than the thread title "Why do men hate God's sovereignty in election". It is the exact same thing.
Where does that thread title refer to Arminians, Pelagians, or Semi-Pelagians, or any other group represented on the Baptist Board?
And if you don't like the thread, did you report it? If you won't report the thread and allow the Admin Council to do their job, you have no right to complain about the thread.
It doesn't do any good to report what Calvinists do in this board. It will just get ignored as usual.
Free will...does not exist.......we have self will...but it is never free....
Is God free to sin?Can His Holy Nature allow such sin to take place?
God cannot due anything against His nature/attributes, so cannot lie, nor creat something too heavy to lift!
There's more to it!!
God shows mercy to some, and the rest receive His justice.
No one receives injustice.
-RC Sproul
SAVED And SURE: Read Romans 9 before you display more of your ignorance!!
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Based on your posts here, you should probably read the whole chapter. Heck, why not read the whole book while you're at it?
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