Nah, It's all God demanding that you obey His will by believing on His Son, or fry in hell for all eternity. All God.
God: "You're a low down filthy wicked sinner.......believe on my only begotten Son or burn in hell forever"
Me: "God be merciful to me a sinner!!!"
No "merit" in that bro.
". . .you are not among my sheep." (John 10:26)
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Dec 8, 2017.
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"Obey" is a verb. Something you DO!
"Believing" is a verb. Something you DO!
Thank you for proving my point. -
John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Now read the rest of the scripture.......
John 10
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
He's exhorting these Jews to BELEIVE, after He just got done saying "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep". Let that sink in Brother. -
Me: Are you kidding? I don't even believe you exist. And if I did believe you exist, I would still hate you. And I will not accept you. This whole subject is stupid.
God: I can fix that. (Regenerates me and gives me the ability to believe, repent, and obey).
None of me. All of Him.
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Those that do believe, believe because they are His.
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HeirofSalvation Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
"Sleep" and "snore" are also action verbs. It hardly qualifies as a "work" in any meaningful sense.
To conflate action verbs with a Biblical definition of "works" is absurd. I half believe T.C. doesn't really even buy his own argument on this. It's slightly insulting that he seems to think non-Calvinists will. -
"Work" is a verb. Something you do.
Work:
verb
1.
be engaged in physical or mental activity in order to achieve a purpose or result, especially in one's job; do work. Merriam Webster Dictionary of the English language.
"Believing" is a verb. Something you DO!
You keep claiming it is all of God but you also keep claiming that you have to DO something! -
"Snore" is something you DO!
And I didn't conflate anything. That is just wishful thinking on your part.
And I believe in biblical soteriology with all my heart. And the fact that you don't seem able to understand it is not my problem. I can tell you the Truth but I can't open your mind to receive it. -
HeirofSalvation Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
You are acting as though since they are action verbs that they would similarly fit a Biblical definition of "works". No one believes this.
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HeirofSalvation Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
That, by your definition qualifies as a "work". -
Jesus told those Jews that His sheep heard His voice because they were His.
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Contrary to what you said, sheep do eat grain. They also like peanuts, peanut butter, pecans(in or out of the shell), cereal, crackers etc. I feed mine on sorghum, clovers, millet, oats(grass), wheat(grass) and rye. Then there is Vetch, Alyce clover, Lespadezza, Winter Peas (those aren't grasses)...... -
No, if you are correct, then ALL sheep would come to Christ; however, the point of the story is that not all do, and those who do, do so because they "know His voice"
You seem to be missing the point by much more than a mile, so I may give up at this point. I don't hold out much hope for a reasonable debate with you. -
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