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Young Earth Creationism.

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by 37818, Nov 4, 2018.

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  1. Chomper76

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    So in other words, no explanation, no evidence. God of the Gaps fallacy.
     
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    Insects are not animals. Also, it is thought that the time in the Garden of Eden was very short. So, no, there were no examples of death. How could it be the Garden of Eden if there was death when God had said that the creation was good and death is not good? Are you an atheist?
     
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    Get serious. When you by innuendo are flippant about God and his dealings concerning His creation you seem insincere and IMO just want to appear as having superior knowledge. My point is we are not revealed a lot about the pre-fall laws of biology and physics.

    Rather than ridicule and contempt please make a rebuttal that is without an oblique ad hominem.

    Ridicule, contempt, etc should be reserved for the political forums. :)
     
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    How so?
     
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    I could be wrong but I believe that person is rebel1 who was just banned. They won't last long.
     
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    I cannot help but see hilarious irony in some of these arguments.

    How can one attack scientists for incomplete knowledge of the universe by throwing out conjecture like, well maybe the universal laws were different in the past, when there is absolutely no evidence for said conjecture?

    Basically we have on one hand fallible man made interpretation of the Bible and a plethora of scientific evidence in the other. When evidence conflicts with an interpretation of the Bible, maybe people should question a fallible interpretation instead of just blindly throwing out unsubstantiated "what ifs". That is what I am being flippant about.
     
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    You are engaging in conjecture when you say that the rate of decay in radiation is uniform for all time, aren't you?
     
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    Oh well.
     
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    Wrong you were caught in your inhumanity to your fellow man.

    AOBTW there is (or was) an article in Scientific American (about 1995 or so) named C is not a Constant.
    So much for your Uniformitarianism.
     
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    No. Unlike you, I am not asserting there was some time where universal laws were altered temporarily, without any evidence backing thar assertion. And it isn't uniform. That is not what a half life means. It is an average. There is a few percent variance. Negligible when we are talking about thousands or millions or billions of years.
     
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    Compressed or decompressed?
     
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    Please find any personal insults in this quote. "So in other words, no explanation, no evidence. God of the Gaps fallacy." I'd love to have one pointed out.

    As far as your 1995 article, I was unable to find it. But you are way out of date. There have been more recent research on that in recent years. Though the math has been questionable.

    Still nothing to support the YEC view. It requires God to artificially age his star creation as many supernova have been observed.
     
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    There is absolutely no support for an old earth view.
     
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    Compressing atoms? Then they stop being atoms. See a neutron star.
     
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    Like Jesus did with the "best" wine he created in an instant at the wedding.
     
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    No - Time.

    Think outside the "box" (aka - the universe)
     
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    Wow that is a massive leap. Especially since fermentation wasn't understood until around 1857. That wine was allowed to oxidize.

    And I sure wouldn't want to drink ancient wine as in Proverbs 23;

    In the end it bites like a snake
    and poisons like a viper.
    33 Your eyes will see strange sights,
    and your mind will imagine confusing things.

    Haha. Fitting since lead was a common additive to ancient wines

    Besides my weak attempt at humor, it still goes back to there being no evidence God created a universe with stars already on the edge of death, and supernaturally accelerated the light to artificially age the universe.

    All there is behind that is man made interpretation of scripture that is not held by all Christians.
     
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    The entire Earth age discussion to me is awkward. I have no problem with a 6000 year Earth. Where my problem lies is in the way we as YEC handle it. So, God created a mature Universe. Mature seems by best scientific evidence to be about 2 to 5 billion years. God created a universe that was 5 Billion years mature and we get bent out of shape when science ages it to the mature state to which God made it.
     
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    God understood it.
     
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    You have no scientific evidence to back up your assertion whatsoever. You are saying that the laws of the universe are uniform, hence you are talking uniformitarianism. You have no way of knowing if there was or was not a constant rate of decay in radiation. What you are saying is that we observe this in the modern world and so therefore this observation is true for all time. But the pre-flood world was destroyed totally by a catastrophic flood wherein the tectonic plates of the earth were totally torn loose and the fountains of the deep opened up and released the waters of the oceans.
     
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