Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion;shout, O daughter of Jerusalem:
behold, thy King cometh unto thee:
he is just, and having salvation;
lowly, and riding upon an ass,
and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
We all know & love that wonderful prophecy, & its glorious fulfillment as Jesus rode into Jerusalem for a welcome as the prophesied son of David:
And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
There were several references to Zechariah in the now closed 'Revelation' thread. I'll quote these, & then hopefully start a serious & profitable discussion on the whole prophecy of Zechariah.
Zechariah - Christ centred prophecy
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Covenanter, Mar 5, 2017.
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
That Zechariah is 'Christ-centred prophecy' is not an issue. All Scripture is about Christ (John 5:39 etc.) and 'The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy' (Revelation 19:10). The question concerning Zechariah arose when Hank gave Zech 14 as an example of 2nd Coming OC prophecy.
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Acts 1
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
This same Jesus - Not Titus.
shall so come in like manner as ye have SEEN Him go into heaven (BODILY - He went up in a body he will return in like manner - in a body - BODILY).
Then they returned to Jerusalem from The MOUNT OF OLIVES.
He will come back BODILY and every eye shall SEE Him.
Where will He come back? The same place He left from - The MOUNT OF OLIVES...
Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
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But what does manner refer to? It refers to how they saw Him leave. How did He leave? Invisibly. "A cloud took Him out of their sight."
Notice very carefully the order of events. The angel's words came in vs. 11, well after the disciples were still gazing - but not seeing - the risen Christ. A cloud had already hidden Him.
Concerning the phrase "in like manner" I thought Joseph Vincent had the right idea:
"Even more important to understand here is the phrase itself, “in like manner.” Let us examine the Greek term, hon tropon, rendered “like manner” in Acts 1:11; giving all the passages where it occurs in the Bible, and then let those who are so adamant about the exact manner be just as adamant in all the passages where it occurs elsewhere.
1. "Now “in the same way” (hon tropon) James and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these resist the truth." (2 Timothy 3:8)
2. Exodus 7th & 8th chapters in regard to those magicians—Satan’s mediums.
"Will you kill me, “as” (hon tropon) you did the Egyptian yesterday? (Acts 7:28)
3. "Oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem...how often I would have gathered my children together, even “as” (hon tropon --like manner) a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not. (Matt. 23:37 and Luke 13:34)"
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It also seems to me that Preterists are obsessed with the Jews to an extent that would make a Dispensationalist blush -
asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It only seems like obsession with the Jews because they were the original recipients of the blessings and inheritance that we have now entered into. All Christians have a real and profound interest in those past events (present possessions) that are written here in Zechariah. Many of those events are those "in that Day" passages.
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OK Tom, of course you must use metaphor language to explain Acts 1:6-12 and I knew that you of all the preterists could do justice with that kind of response.
Obviously compared to the Zechariah 14 passage it is even more difficult to defend
"this same Jesus" and
"in like manner" and
"every eye shall see Him"
causing your response that seems very unlikely but you did a noble job.
Take the last word if you feel you should.
Let the readers decide.
Thanks Tom
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AOBTW Tom,
Are you still in Cathay (if you have not already answered)?
Are you and yours doing well?
I wish you well Tom and Godspeed my brother.
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And Zechariah 14 discussion should be deferred until we've considered 1-13. -
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Zechariah 1 -
The opening verses remind his readers of Israel's history - a recurring cycle of obedience, disobedience, discipline, prophetic call to repentance, and restoration.
Then the visions start ....
God is watching over his people, encouraging them in the immediate task of rebuilding temple and nation, and assuring them of the Messianic promises.
"I am coming, and I will live among you," declares the LORD. -
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Thanks
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Covenanter Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Eze. 36:24ff also prophecies Pentecost.
In Luke 24 Jesus teaches that he is the fulfilment of OC prophecy.
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