Piper to Obama

Well, aside from the fact that (to me) his manner of speach is annoying, I agree with his sentiments about abortion. It is an abomination. Why then did he weep for joy when Obama was inaugurated?

The guy has some strange views on other things, but on abortion he's spot on.

 

No, sorry, it isn't. A man was elected to the highest office in this country. He advocates the murder of children. To be joyous about his election is not Christian. Would Piper have also been joyous is Obama was a murderer of adults? I don't care what color the man is, he supports murdering children. It isn't a time to be joyous.

 

God gives free will and everything works together for His Glory. He has a master plan and allows bad things to happen for reasons beyond my comprehension.

All that doesn't mean that I should be joyous when a murderer is elected as President. I'm also not joyous when I hear another news story about a gang murder.

I am thankful and joyous everyday that God is in control.

 

Here's my question: does God appoint specific leaders, or leadership?

 

So God chose Hitler? Sorry...no He didn't. God allowed Hitler to come to power, but God did not place him there. The depravity of man placed him there.

 

Then by your line of thinking, since God is a pupper master and control every aspect of everything, God put the evil in Hitler as well as putting Hitler in power.

No, sorry, my God is not a pupper master. He allows us free will to make our own choices. My God didn't place Hitler in power....he allowed it, but that's a whole different ball of wax.

 

So if God has decreed that the "0" be president, I will needs be forgiven for not voting for him-- right?

Methinks there are too many claims that God "is, did, will, won't, can, can't" etc., etc., when our knowledge of Him is so finite; and even that little bit is warped by our own biases.

God IS sovereign, and therefore it is beyond our understanding when He does/doesn't do anything. The book of Job illustrates this very well.

If you want to claim everything is God's doing just because of His sovereignty, then be intellectually honest and quit making any decisions and let His sovereignty rule. Don't take precautions driving, taking medicines (oops not necessary - if God wants you well, He'll heal you) etc, etc, etc.

FTR I agree with Matt - "Then by your line of thinking, since God is a pupper master and control every aspect of everything, God put the evil in Hitler as well as putting Hitler in power.

No, sorry, my God is not a pupper master. He allows us free will to make our own choices. My God didn't place Hitler in power....he allowed it, but that's a whole different ball of wax. "

This is a dangerous path and only an idiot would attempt to relegate/limit God to what his own mind can conceive.

 

In this video Piper doesn't say he wept for joy at the inauguration; he said "some of us" did, which leaves his stance undefined.

 

Give me a break...when you say "some of us" you are including yourself. Don't mince words.

 

I would agree with this statement.

"Us" would include the speaker.

To exclude the speaker one would say "them".

 

Curious, how did the serpent get in the garden?

I forget who, but there was somewhere I read Hitler and the Holocaust were a fulfillment of prophesy toward the Jews. If that is true, then your above statement would be accurate. Any thought's on that?

 

Unique among all nations, past and present, the United States of America is a nation established, under God, where the People elect their leadership for representation while said leaders are in power. They are not kings who are authorities unto themselves only answerable to God but servants to accomplish the will of the people, who has entrusted them to make judgments and laws that will not infringe upon their Liberty.

The present generation has become so apathetic that the will of the people has become clouded. As a result the people are getting the leaders we deserve. As the people of this nation goes, so too go our leaders. The people are in debt, so is the nation's government. The people are not living their lives unto a Sovereign God, so too are our judgments passed that do not respect a living God.

Until the people of this great nation realize that the problem is us, we will never turn the corner and set this nation right. We the People are answerable to the direction this nation is taking. And until they take the right to elect and change our nation every 2, 4 and 6 years, away from us we are the ones that answer to God whom we choose to represent us. When that right is removed and the ruler of the US is dictator or king then God can deal with him.

 

God allows people to be president or things to happen for his own purposes. This does not mean we need forgivness if we did not vote for Obama!

Maybe God did want O to be president for his purposes. He used Cyrus, He used Nebuchadnezzar, he used Pharaoh in Egypt, he used Joseph's brothers' wicked plans against Joseph, etc., etc. God used people or nations to punish or bring judgment in the OT, though that is clearly stated in the OT, so I don't think we can discern when that is happening now.

We don't know what God is doing. The point is to trust God and know nothing thwarts His will.