Cain in Big Trouble: Gloria Allred has Jumped on the Bandwagon!

[targus]

This may not be a he said/she said issue any longer.

One woman said that Cain upgraded her hotel room. We can go back through credit card records/hotel records and verify or deny this issue. I think this would be a key piece of evidence for or against Cain on this specific allegation (not the other ones leveled against him).

Cain said there was an internal investigation that said these charges were baseless. One of the Attorney's for the women said he was never presented such an investigation (and if it was done, it was not done by a 3rd party, but someone reporting to Cain). However, if an investigation was done, it could be released. This still may not say much considering it was not done by a third party (independent), but it could help validate Cain's story slightly.

One attorney said his client received a settlement. Whether this is a settlement or not is a moot point, but Cain's camp insists this was a settlement. The details of this "settlement" could be released to discover if it is a settlement or not.

There are some other unanswered questions such as why a woman who formerly worked for the restaurant association would need a tour of the offices where she worked before.

That sort of puts her story in question.

 

[Ruiz]

There are some other unanswered questions such as why a woman who formerly worked for the restaurant association would need a tour of the offices where she worked before.

That sort of puts her story in question.

It appeared that the woman worked in a different city for the NRA. I could be wrong, but when I listened to the press conference it appeared to convey as much.

 

[targus]

I also find it an interesting coincidence that two of the five women have a connection to Obama.

One works for the Obama administration and one lived in the same building as Axlerod.

 

[Ruiz]

I also find it an interesting coincidence that two of the five women have a connection to Obama.

One works for the Obama administration and one lived in the same building as Axlerod.

And your point is?????

 

[targus]

And your point is?????

Did the woman with the association to Axlerod file a contemporaneous report of the alleged incident?

Not that I am aware of.

 

[Ruiz]

Did the woman with the association to Axlerod file a contemporaneous report of the alleged incident?

Not that I am aware of.

That is a different point and I do not think it has anything to do with your initial statement.

Again, I think we may be able to confirm her story through credit card records or hotel records. Yet, I see how one is completely connected to the other.

 

[targus]

That is a different point and I do not think it has anything to do with your initial statement.

Again, I think we may be able to confirm her story through credit card records or hotel records. Yet, I see how one is completely connected to the other.

My point is that a prior contemporaneous report of the alleged incident would cause me to speculate less as to the possibility that Axelrod put her up to making the accusation now.

As to checking credit card records or hotel records how do you know that such an investigation was not already done and produced nothing to incriminate Cain so it becomes a non story?

 

[Ruiz]

My point is that a prior contemporaneous report of the alleged incident would cause me to speculate less as to the possibility that Axelrod put her up to making the accusation now.

Oh, because she lives in the same apartment building, you think there is a possibility she was directly influenced by him. I think we get your point now.

Again, I think hotel/credit card records could shed light on this issue.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Question for those who planned to vote for Cain: If nothing were to change (no new developments, 'new evidence', accusers, etc.) would you still vote for him, or have these allegations dissuaded you?

He still has my vote. Now if Condoleeza Rice (or a woman like her) would come out and say Herman propositioned her, I would listen.

 

[carpro]

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-accuser-filed-complaint-next-job-080946066.html

AP Exclusive: Accuser filed complaint in next job
By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE and SUZANNE GAMBOA - Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — A woman who settled a sexual harassment complaint against GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain in 1999 complained three years later at her next job about unfair treatment, saying she should be allowed to work from home after a serious car accident and accusing a manager of circulating a sexually charged email, The Associated Press has learned.

Karen Kraushaar, 55, filed the complaint while working as a spokeswoman at the Immigration and Naturalization Service in the Justice Department in late 2002 or early 2003, with the assistance of her lawyer, Joel Bennett, who also handled her earlier sexual harassment complaint against Cain in 1999.

 

[Mexdeaf]

The background and character of HC's accusers does not impress me as much as HIS character does.

 

[Ruiz]

The character of HC's accusers does not impress me as much as HIS character does.

His character does not impress me at all. Anyone who would slander people by calling them racists over this charge is one I have argued against the left for years saying it is slander. I could not vote for a man whose first actions are to resort to calling people racist.

BTW, how do you know his character? Do you personally know him?

 

[InTheLight]

why a woman who formerly worked for the restaurant association would need a tour of the offices where she worked before.

It appeared that the woman worked in a different city for the NRA. I could be wrong, but when I listened to the press conference it appeared to convey as much.

She said she took the train to Washington DC to meet with Cain, so she didn't live there.

 

[Mexdeaf]

His character does not impress me at all. Anyone who would slander people by calling them racists over this charge is one I have argued against the left for years saying it is slander. I could not vote for a man whose first actions are to resort to calling people racist.

BTW, how do you know his character? Do you personally know him?

I have studied his history and read his biography. It does not speak of a man who would do such things.

I wonder why it is all right to call charges 'racist' when they are directed at a black liberal but not when they are directed at a black conservative?

I agree that they are likely racially motivated- have you not heard the charges against HC that he is an "Uncle Tom"? I have. Multiple times on his FB page he is called just that, and worse.

 

[Ruiz]

I have studied his history and read his biography. It does not speak of a man who would do such things.

I wonder why it is all right to call charges 'racist' when they are directed at a black liberal but not when they are directed at a black conservative?

I agree that they are likely racially motivated- have you not heard the charges against HC that he is an "Uncle Tom"? I have. Multiple times on his FB page he is called just that, and worse.

I can point to many biographies that have taken bad men and made them look good. I don't trust his biography as it was probably written by a ghost writer and is made to make him look good. You must trust him in order to trust his biography. The fact is, you know very little about the man. You have trusted his words to trust him as a person.

So, what about his history have you studied? What sources have you used? Are they impartial?

There maybe some racism, as there were in those who opposed Obama. However, calling these charges race motivated is over the top, there is no such evidence and it is slander. That is what he leveled and that is wrong.

As a Hispanic, race issues are very near and dear to my life. I think many on the democratic wing have hurt race and true racism with their actions. I am just as disgusted by Herman Cain's degrading this issue into merely racism when it is much more than that.