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Iowa Boss Fires Worker For Being "Too Attractive"

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Iowa court: Bosses can fire 'irresistible' workers
By RYAN J. FOLEY
— Dec. 21 4:17 PM EST
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IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) — A dentist acted legally when he fired an assistant that he found attractive simply because he and his wife viewed the woman as a threat to their marriage, the all-male Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.

The court ruled 7-0 that bosses can fire employees they see as an "irresistible attraction," even if the employees have not engaged in flirtatious behavior or otherwise done anything wrong. Such firings may be unfair, but they are not unlawful discrimination under the Iowa Civil Rights Act because they are motivated by feelings and emotions, not gender, Justice Edward Mansfield wrote.

An attorney for Fort Dodge dentist James Knight said the decision, the first of its kind in Iowa, is a victory for family values because Knight fired Melissa Nelson in the interest of saving his marriage, not because she was a woman.

But Nelson's attorney said Iowa's all-male high court, one of only a handful in the nation, failed to recognize the discrimination that women see routinely in the workplace.

"These judges sent a message to Iowa women that they don't think men can be held responsible for their sexual desires and that Iowa women are the ones who have to monitor and control their bosses' sexual desires," said attorney Paige Fiedler. "If they get out of hand, then the women can be legally fired for it."

Nelson, 32, worked for Knight for 10 years, and he considered her a stellar worker. But in the final months of her employment, he complained that her tight clothing was distracting, once telling her that if his pants were bulging that was a sign her clothes were too revealing, according to the opinion.

He also once allegedly remarked about her infrequent sex life by saying, "that's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and never driving it."

Knight and Nelson — both married with children — started exchanging text messages, mostly about personal matters, such as their families. Knight's wife, who also worked in the dental office, found out about the messages and demanded Nelson be fired. The Knights consulted with their pastor, who agreed that terminating Nelson was appropriate.

Knight fired Nelson and gave her one month's severance. He later told Nelson's husband that he worried he was getting too personally attached and feared he would eventually try to start an affair with her.

Nelson was stunned because she viewed the 53-year-old Knight as a father figure and had never been interested in starting a relationship, Fiedler said.

Nelson filed a lawsuit alleging gender discrimination, arguing she would not have been terminated if she was male. She did not allege sexual harassment because Knight's conduct may not have risen to that level and didn't particularly offend her, Fiedler said.

Knight argued Nelson was fired not because of her gender, but because her continued employment threatened his marriage. A district judge agreed, dismissing the case before trial, and the high court upheld that ruling.

Mansfield noted that Knight had an all-female workforce and Nelson was replaced by a woman.

He said the decision was in line with state and federal court rulings that found workers can be fired for relationships that cause jealousy and tension within a business owner's family. One such case from the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a business owner's firing of a valued employee who was seen by his wife as a threat to their marriage. In that case, the fired employee had engaged in flirtatious conduct.

Mansfield said allowing Nelson's lawsuit would stretch the definition of discrimination to allow anyone fired over a relationship to file a claim arguing they would not have been fired but for their gender.

Knight's attorney, Stuart Cochrane, said the court got it right. The decision clarified that bosses can make decisions showing favoritism to a family member without committing discrimination; in this case, by allowing Knight to honor his wife's wishes to fire Nelson, he said.

Knight is a very religious and moral individual, and he sincerely believed that firing Nelson would be best for all parties, he said.

"While there was really no fault on the part of Mrs. Nelson, it was just as clear the decision to terminate her was not related to the fact that she was a woman," he said. "The motives behind Dr. Knight terminating Mrs. Nelson were quite clear: He did so to preserve his marriage.

"I don't view this as a decision that was either pro-women or opposed to women rights at all. In my view, this was a decision that followed the appropriate case law."

I suppose this is technically legal but on a moral level it is quite unfair and absurd Mrs. Nelson was fired because of the uncontrollable lust of her boss.
 

Baptist Believer

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Unfair because he had the means to resist temptation and used it rather than yielding to it?
He had the means to resist temptation, but he instead chose to blame the object of his lust.

It's not an easy situation, but she should not simply be fired because the boss can't keep his eyes to himself or maintain proper boundaries.

I work with a number of very attractive women, but my heart is for my wife. Furthermore, because I respect women, I tend not to objectify them - especially the ones I know personally.

I'm not perfect in this regard, but avoiding lust is really not as difficult as it is assumed. You just have to want to avoid lust. If that is your intent, you will receive assistance from God to avoid it.
 

Gina B

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Good for him. He recognized his weakness, so did his wife, and too bad for the lady who got fired. An employee should be allowed to hire and let go of whomever he/she chooses for whatever reason. Stinks to get hired by someone who WOULD do that, but that's life.

The man found her attractive and worked with her for hours a day, days a week...he did the right thing.

If I developed a liking for anyone I worked with that close, I'd quit.

If my husband developed a liking for anyone he worked with that close, I'd .... well, be one unhappy wife as long as it continued.

But it happens. Why blame him for being a human? Sometimes you're attracted to someone and it's totally unexpected.

I'd love to get fired for being too attractive and given a month off without pay and a great reference.

I just don't get why it doesn't happen to ME. :laugh: Doesn't my great personality shine through in a most alluring manner and cover up all these physical flaws?! ROFL
 

mont974x4

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Was she ugly when he hired her?

I would suspect he hired her knowing full well how attractive she is, and then had to fire her when his wife found out.

He probably should not have hired her to begin with. Since he did then the only way he could honor his bride, his marriage, and yes even honor the secretary was to fire her.





If the sin involved was different we wouldn't be having this discussion.

A man who struggles with alcoholism would be praised for dumping out the booze he bought in a moment of weakness.

A man who struggle with porn would be praised for burning the magazines (or deleting the files and installing accountability software) after buying the porn in a moment of weakness.

A man who flushed his drugs he bought in a moment of weakness would be praised.
 

carpro

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It took him 10 years to notice she was attractive?

Sounds like he's the one with the problem and he made her pay for it.
 

Baptist Believer

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If the sin involved was different we wouldn't be having this discussion.

A man who struggles with alcoholism would be praised for dumping out the booze he bought in a moment of weakness.

A man who struggle with porn would be praised for burning the magazines (or deleting the files and installing accountability software) after buying the porn in a moment of weakness.

A man who flushed his drugs he bought in a moment of weakness would be praised.

But alcohol, pornography and drugs are not people. They are objects. This man object-ified this woman to lust after her. I find all sorts of women attractive, but that doesn't mean that I lust after them or cross appropriate boundaries. This man didn't fix anything by firing this woman because the problem is inside him. He is responsible for his thoughts and behavior. If we are simply dealing with objects, then sure, get rid of them. If we are dealing with people, there is no excuse to penalize someone else for our own unwillingness to restrain ourselves from sin.
 

Baptist Believer

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Sounds like he's the one with the problem and he made her pay for it.

Yep. Jesus taught that when we find ourselves lusting, we shouldn't make excuses but instead need to take serious action WITH OURSELVES, not with other people (Matthew 5:29-20). If lust is a matter of the eye (a classic excuse - the one used here) or the hand ("I couldn't help myself"), then we need to cut those off.

Instead, we have people in this thread who would rather blame the woman who has been the subject of this man's lust and have her lose her livelihood.

Of course, we could always insist that women wear burkas - that would solve the sin problem since lust is not a matter of a man's heart, it is the fault of the woman, right? :tonofbricks:
 

Jerome

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http://www.iowacourts.gov/Supreme_Court/Recent_Opinions/20121221/11-1857.pdf

Jeanne Knight confronted her husband and demanded that he terminate Nelson’s employment. Both of them consulted with the senior pastor of their church, who agreed with the decision.

Dr. Knight called Nelson into his office. He had arranged for another pastor from the church to be present as an observer.

Nelson’s husband Steve phoned Dr. Knight after getting the news of his wife’s firing. Dr. Knight initially refused to talk to Steve Nelson, but later called back and invited him to meet at the office later that same evening. Once again, the pastor was present.
 

mont974x4

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But alcohol, pornography and drugs are not people. They are objects. This man object-ified this woman to lust after her. I find all sorts of women attractive, but that doesn't mean that I lust after them or cross appropriate boundaries. This man didn't fix anything by firing this woman because the problem is inside him. He is responsible for his thoughts and behavior. If we are simply dealing with objects, then sure, get rid of them. If we are dealing with people, there is no excuse to penalize someone else for our own unwillingness to restrain ourselves from sin.

I don't believe she was being punished. I believe she was being protected.

Did this fix his sin problem? No. It does protect him, as he flees this one woman who was a temptation to him. Since his bride and pastor are involved it seems to me he is also working to deal with the root problem. He is being held accountable and being responsible.

Many men are in this same situation. What is a key aspect these men should encounter from anyone who counsels them? It is a demand to break off any relationship he has with the other woman. Sadly, in this case, it involved an employee. That made the situation more complicated, but the answer is still the same simple wisdom.
 

abcgrad94

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This man has a problem, and getting rid of the employee is not going to solve that problem because it will come up again later with someone else.

I think he could have handled the situation much differently than he did. First, he thought the woman's clothing was too revealing/tight/whatever. He could have given his employees a dress code or had them wear scrubs as uniforms.

He also thought her behavior was inappropriate. If that was the case, he should have confronted her and told her so. As her employer, he SHOULD have done this. It's his job to set boundaries in writing when he hires someone.

His behavior to her was also inappropriate. She should have confronted HIM or threatened to sue him for harassment. She didn't. Both parties are at fault there.
 

Salty

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I have several thoughts here.

1) I do agree with Gina- an employer should be allowed to hire and let go of whomever he chooses for whatever reason. Stinks to get hired by someone who WOULD do that, but that's life. - Suppose the assistant quit without notice because she found the Dr too good looking - We never would have heard about it.

2) Its not her fault she is so good looking.... suppose she enjoyed having a beer once a day - and brought it to the office - same thing with any other addiction

3) "You just have to want to avoid lust. If that is your intent, you will receive assistance from God to avoid it."

If that was the case Christians would have no sin problems - but the Devils main job is to work on our weakness.
Remember that saying - every man has his price

4) The case did go to court - so evidently she did try to sue him. But she lost

5) It took him 10 years? Do we know all the details - was he married at the time, do we know what he thoughts were, did......

6) With all the publicity - I wonder how many job offers she has received? Hmmmmmmmmm
 

kyredneck

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When my middle daughter lived in Lexington and walked her dog at night, not only did she 'carry', she wore 'rape prevention' clothes. Believe me, she could look like a bag lady (I think she got a kick out of it).

Indications are she was asked to dress down, but at the same time he was the boss and could have implemented a dress code, perhaps he lacked the will or the guts to do it, maybe he thought it was good for business in the long run; bottom line I think the wife caught him (them?).

I'm not taking sides, to me this is just plain old hard facts of reality, attraction between the sexes is a powerful force. I've heard it taught that the concept of 'flee from fornication' can be derived throughout the scriptures at least 200 times.

Then again maybe the woman's place is at home after all...... :smilewinkgrin:
 

Jerome

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Dental assistant interviewed:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/22/us/iowa-irresistible-worker/index.html


Here's Dr. and Mrs. Jim Knight:

https://www.facebook.com/jeanne.knight.505



Dr. and Mrs. Knight's 'Senior Pastor' and their 'Other Pastor':

http://www.fdevfree.com/#/about-us/our-staff

Senior Pastor Scott Hatton has been at the church since 2009 after serving churches in Illinois and Florida. He is a graduate of Bethel College and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.

Pastor for Family Discipleship Matt Sees joined the church staff in 2006. He is a graduate of The Master's College and is currently a student at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville.
 
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