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  1. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    The reality today is that people are dying and going to hell

    WHEN GOD HAS SPOKEN

    and you nor I can't lift a finger about it.

     
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    If you obey the Great Commission you can.
    Or you can sit back in your chair and do nothing.
    The decision is yours, whether to obey God or not.

    Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
     
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    You are very much confused. There is no "official day" to worship.
    God has created every day alike. Most Christians honor Sunday out of tradition, and secondly, because Christ rose the first day of the week.
    Some time ago I went to the mission field of an Islamic nation. We held our services on Friday, the Muslim holy day. Why? That was the only day of the week the people could find time to meet together. Every other day was a work day, and there was no available time for them to meet. Was God displeased because we met on a Friday. No. He was pleased that we were able to meet one day a week, no matter what day it was.
     
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    <<<There is no "official day" to worship.>>>

    There is; it is Sunday right through <official> Christianity.

    <<<God has created every day alike.>>>

    God has not <<created every day alike>>.
    God created six days in the beginning.
    Then He “made, the Sabbath” by the Lordship of Jesus over it—“The Seventh Day God thus concerning spake BY THE SON” as He never spake and “never will again speak concerning another day” of salvation-rest.

    But you are perfectly right, <<<Most Christians honor Sunday out of tradition, and secondly, because Christ rose the first day of the week.>>>

    Only, I do not understand how you can view its as <<honor Sunday>> if <<most Christians honor (it) out of tradition>>?

    And yes, <<Most Christians honor Sunday… because…>> they MISTAKENLY believe that <<…Christ rose the first day of the week>>— which lies at the heart of their being so deceived “concerning the day The Seventh Day God thus spake by the Son in these last days” … “THUS…” meaning, that Christ “in the SABBATH’S fullness of daylight mid-inclining towards the First Day”, rose from the dead and grave.

    Now that you were able to hold your services on Friday on the mission field of an Islamic nation, we all must thank and praise the Lord for. God surely must have been much pleased with your faithfulness in the cause of the Gospel, no matter what day it was you held <<your services on>>!

    What is seriously wrong though with your self-defence, DHK, is that you assume it changes the Scriptures and overrules the Gospel proclaimed THEREIN.

     
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    The trouble with Christianity is not that they / WE, do not 'keep the Sabbath'; it is that they / WE, do not believe, the Sabbath --- "concerning (which) God thus spake by the Son", that in it, "God, the Seventh Day, from all his works rested" AND FROM THE BEGINNING, HAS BEEN WORKING, TO REST IN CHRIST, IN HAVING RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, ON THE SABBATH.

     
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    That is one you got correct!



    That is a bizarre, smart alecky statement for a Christian to make. Apparently you have no real understanding of what the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ accomplished. But, of course, as a disciple of Ms. White you believe salvation is based on works rather than grace, perhaps it is understandable. I will repeat for your learning what the Word of God says about the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

    1 Corinthians 15:12-19
    12. Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
    13. But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
    14. And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
    15. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
    16. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
    17. And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
    18. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
    19. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.


    Without the resurrection of Jesus Christ there is no salvation for anyone throughout time, not even disciples of Ms. White.



    Then why did Paul not preach on the seventh day. And why does Scripture record that he preached on the First Day if that were insignificant. And you are reading your own bias into Scripture when you say "not every week".




    Where is your Scriptural evidence that the First Day is not called the Lord's Day. The Sabbath certainly is not called the Lord's day.


    You could also learn from Acts 2:1ff that the Church was empowered with the Holy Spirit in the First Day of the week when Pentecost was fully come. You might also consider Colossians 2:16 below as regards the sabbath and the Judgmental attitude of Ms. Whites disciples! I also call your attention to the writing of one of the early Church Fathers:

    Why did they lay by on the First Day of the week rather than the seventh?

    Continued in following post!
     
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    Continued from above post!

    Acts 1:12. Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey.
    Acts 13:14. But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
    Acts 13:27. For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day,they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
    Acts 13:42. And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
    Acts 13:44. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
    Acts 15:21. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
    Acts 16:13. And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
    Acts 17:1. Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
    Acts 17:2. And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
    Acts 18:4. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
    Colossians 2:16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


    Consider the above Scripture. In all cases related to worship, except Acts 16:3, the synagogue is associated with the Sabbath. Obviously when Paul preached to the Jews he preached in the synagogue on the Sabbath. The fact that Gentiles were present does not alter that fact. The one exception is Acts 16:3 where Paul went to the riverside to preach. So you see Ryan your argument does not hold water.

    Your problem Ryan is that you are following the Pope of the Seventh Day Adventists, not Jesus Christ of Scripture!

    Given the above where the SDA place the writing of Ms. White on par with Scripture I would remind you what Scripture states about such:

    Revelation 22:18, 19
    18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
     
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    ... I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ
    Acts 16:18
    Am I correct in assuming that this was Paul speaking?

    Salty

    PS Still waiting on the answer about the hundreds of other OT laws - does Ryan keep those also?
     
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    Ryan

    You, and a good many others, need to ask yourselfs: Why did God wait 1800 years to reveal something new to Ms. White, Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Smith, and John Nelson Darby?

    I realize some claim God has been giving new revelation to the Pope all along but really, do we need 4 more popes?
     
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    Don't slander. God did not reveal anything new to Darby. To put Darby into a class with the cults is slanderous and libel. He was a born again believer that loved the Lord and did not believe or associate with any of the cults. You should be ashamed.
     
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    He DID preach on the Sabbath - Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath - you see it in Acts 13 and Acts 17 and Acts 18. Why do you even ask that??


    Only did it once -

    Not a crime you know.


    That is not in the text or you would have told us about it -- and we all can read it.


    "The seventh day IS THE SABBATH of the LORD" Ex 20:8-11

    No such statement for week-day-1.

    "Therefor God BLESSED the seventh day and made it HOLY" Gen 2:3

    No such statement for week-day-1


    Until you read the Bible. "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" -

    No such statement for "week day 1".

    "The Sabbath of the LORD Thy God" Is 56:13

    No such statement for "week day 1"


    It would be pointless to save up at the end of the week when all the earnings were gone. Better to set the money aside at the start of of the week to be sure it is not spent.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Whoah! Hold on thar!!

    Your fellow Baptists have been attacking the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and C.H Spurgeon like they had red hair. Where do you stand on that?? Are you ALSO going to declare yourself at war with the 7 points in the OP??

    Because these guys are almost tireless in their war against the first 6 points from the Bible as affirmed by Moody, Spurgeon and the "Baptist Confession of Faith".

    Time to stand and be counted.

    You have carefully avoided attacking the first six points above that come from the Bible - are you timid about agreeing with the Bible on those points??


    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    We're not the ones with the problem; you are.
    You have yet to show a single verse from the NT where it commands believers to keep the Sabbath. Not one verse Bob. This discussion is dead.
     
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    God waited 1500 years to reveal a thing or two to Noah.

    God waited 4000 years to reveal a thing or two to John the baptizer.

    God waited 5800 years to reveal a thing or two (written down in 50,000 pages of manuscript) to Ellen White just before the end of the world.

    Are you thinking that maybe God should do His job differently???
     
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    Interesting to know where your dates come from.

    5800 years? Are you sure it wasn't 5810 years or 5889 years. And God revealed exactly 50,000 pages to Ms. White, about 50 times as much as He did to the true prophets over a period of several thousand years. Were they on golden leaves written in King James English as the special revelation Joseph Smith received.

    That being said the Revelation of God was closed almost 2000 years ago. Any so-called revelations since then are absolutely false and initiate heresy.


    No! It is you and other disciples of Ms. White who apparently are unhappy with what God has revealed to man through His Word.

    But one must concede that if Ms. White generated 50,000 pages of bull she has a vivid imagination. It is this sort of radical revelation nonsense that led to David Koresh and the Waco tragedy in Texas about 20 years ago.
     
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    Would be interesting to know if you stand for the "Baptist Confession of Faith" points on section 19 of that document or are at war with them like a couple of other Baptists on this thread.

    Hint - Wako is "Branch Davidian".

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    When you address my two previous posts I will respond to the above!

    Hint - "Branch Davidian" came out of the SDA!
     
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    1. Hint the Lutherans came out of the Catholic Church.

    Methodists came out of the Anglican Church which came out of the Catholic Church. How long will you blame the Catholics for every idea that Methodists have??

    And the Branch Davidians came out of the Davidian church. Which has nothing to do with this thread.

    2. If you have a single shred of a post on the actual topic of this thread - for me to respond to -- and I have not... then please point it out to us.

    3. Now is this your way of being too timid to endorse the "Baptist Confession of Faith" with its section 19 - a document endorsing all seven points listed in the OP. Timid perhaps because a couple of posters here are at war with all 7 of its points from section 19 and 22??

    Is that possible? Is that what we are seeing? really?

    I always thought of you as a "stand and be counted" sort of poster.
     
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    Iconoclast offers this timid reminder that he just might endorse the 7 points of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" though he is careful not to admit it outright. So not sure where he stands.



     
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    I am curious if that is supposed to make sense -- given the actual content of the OP.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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